Anyone tried using red light therapy?

Posted by domokane @domokane, Jul 29, 2023

There seems to be some evidence that photobiomodulation - heating the skin via infra red light - has some benefits for stimulating nerve re growth. There are lots of devices available on Amazon as well as lots of seemingly expensive treatments provided by chiropractors.

I would be interested to know of any personal experience with such devices and any possible recommendations.

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I have been doing the Anodyne infrared light and Rebuilder electrical stimulation for almost 2 years and have my own equipment. When I stay on my feet too long and the pain starts up, I lie down, elevate my feet and play solitaire for about 10 minutes. The distraction seems to calm the nerves and the pain subsides. I was told the brain responds to one stimulus at a time.

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@matt2go

I didn't know that about DMSO cream. I wonder if there's some with modifications done in current products that minimize that smell? Microcurrent sounds interesting. I have recently tried shockwave/soundwave on my foot that was really bothering me. I'm going in for my 4th treatment tomorrow and am happy to say that after my last (3rd) treatment the pain has been reduced about 80%. Keeping in mind this was for one small area of one foot. Ideally I would have my own machine but think that's cost prohibitive.
My opinion on what I've researched so far:
Red light therapy shows promise and has positive reviews for regenerating blood flow to the areas to enhance healing, but may take a long time.
Shockwave therapy has the same effect: enhancing blood flow to the region and creating an enhanced healing effect.
Stem cell therapy shows incredible regenerative cababilities but is extremely expensive for most.
There's many other things that I can't think of off hand but plan to investigate. I did install an infrared sauna and have used it the past couple years. Feels great but hard to quantify if it's making a difference other than making me feel refreshed/relaxed. I really appreciate hearing about what works from others. Thanks

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MSM , is DMSO, without the smell. Easiest thing to do, is go on line and ask, is MSM the same as DMSO?.....It should give you an explanation.
For the ultrasound..........mine only cost $50...........The company still has them from 50 - 150............I don't like to mention company names in my e mails, as i don't want anyone to think I am a .....sales person, pushing a product.....
The next time you get your shock wave treatment, could you ask............how similar is the shockwave treatments to an ultrasound treatment............i think i read where they pretty much do the same thing. it's like a wand, that you slowy move around the area. you need to apply a gel on the area first. you can use it from 5 to 15 minutes. I only use aprx 5 mins on my foot, then sometimes, i move it to my leg for 5 minutes........Don't let the person know you are "thinking" about buying an ultrasound..........you want them to think you will still be their patient, because you really feel better with the shockwave treatment...........but, watching how you choose to ask them the difference, is the way you might get a more accurate answer about the ultrasound...............or , just go on line and ask, what is the difference between a shockwave treatment and ultrasound treatment..........that should work. PS, with the DMSO cream, or any other creams...........i think the best they might do is ....mask the pain, which we all want.............but what we really want, is to correct the problem, not mask it. I think your shockwave treatments are more along correcting the problem rather than just masking the pain.

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@liloldlady

MSM , is DMSO, without the smell. Easiest thing to do, is go on line and ask, is MSM the same as DMSO?.....It should give you an explanation.
For the ultrasound..........mine only cost $50...........The company still has them from 50 - 150............I don't like to mention company names in my e mails, as i don't want anyone to think I am a .....sales person, pushing a product.....
The next time you get your shock wave treatment, could you ask............how similar is the shockwave treatments to an ultrasound treatment............i think i read where they pretty much do the same thing. it's like a wand, that you slowy move around the area. you need to apply a gel on the area first. you can use it from 5 to 15 minutes. I only use aprx 5 mins on my foot, then sometimes, i move it to my leg for 5 minutes........Don't let the person know you are "thinking" about buying an ultrasound..........you want them to think you will still be their patient, because you really feel better with the shockwave treatment...........but, watching how you choose to ask them the difference, is the way you might get a more accurate answer about the ultrasound...............or , just go on line and ask, what is the difference between a shockwave treatment and ultrasound treatment..........that should work. PS, with the DMSO cream, or any other creams...........i think the best they might do is ....mask the pain, which we all want.............but what we really want, is to correct the problem, not mask it. I think your shockwave treatments are more along correcting the problem rather than just masking the pain.

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oops................in last response i used the term Shock Wave, I believe the term is Soft Wave..........i once told a friend, if you ask me a question and I give an answer, ask me again the next day, as, i used to be able to snap out correct answers, but at my age of 82, i am finding that, some of my answers, are sometimes , not what i really meant:) and a day later, i clarify them.

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It's a shame you wrote this without providing more information about the product that is effective. This is this information everyone on this site is looking for.

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Photobiomodulation/red light therapy is supposed to affect the mitochondria of the cell making it work more efficiently (?). I have looked into it for Parkinson's unfortunately you have to have strong enough light to reach the cells that need the help. That means you need to go up from red light to near infra red light to infra red light and most of what I have found online is very expensive to get into even the near infrared light area. My husband just made me a red light set up using 670 wavelength which is just below the near infrared light so I don't know if it will help but I'm going to try it for my neuropathy and also on my head for hair loss to see if it can stimulate hair folicles.

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@madje51

Photobiomodulation/red light therapy is supposed to affect the mitochondria of the cell making it work more efficiently (?). I have looked into it for Parkinson's unfortunately you have to have strong enough light to reach the cells that need the help. That means you need to go up from red light to near infra red light to infra red light and most of what I have found online is very expensive to get into even the near infrared light area. My husband just made me a red light set up using 670 wavelength which is just below the near infrared light so I don't know if it will help but I'm going to try it for my neuropathy and also on my head for hair loss to see if it can stimulate hair folicles.

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Sounds like he built it using something like the Lumimax LED-5RED, operating current 20 mA. He might want to try HSDL-4261 LEDs. Their wavelength is 870 nM and the suggested operating current is 100 mA.
I am now in middle of exploring depth of penetration. Will let you know when I am finished.

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@liloldlady

oops................in last response i used the term Shock Wave, I believe the term is Soft Wave..........i once told a friend, if you ask me a question and I give an answer, ask me again the next day, as, i used to be able to snap out correct answers, but at my age of 82, i am finding that, some of my answers, are sometimes , not what i really meant:) and a day later, i clarify them.

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That's ok, Shockwave is the original term for the same thing. Soundwave and Softwave are marketing names as "shock" frightens people. I'm currently getting treatment at a clinic that call it "Softwave" but the Dr. verified it's the same.
Hope your ultrasound device is working for you. (If you wanted to share the name I promise I won't think you're a salesperson).

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The company i bought the ultrasound from is......tenspros. FYI.....several yrs ago, i bought one, and it was $150...........i took it to my naturopath Dr., and she said i chose a good unit. but, a few weeks ago, i decided to give mine to my grandson, and buy a new one....hmm........their website had one, same name, for $49. And one for $149......I did that sorry thing and "assummed" the 149 one must be a newer version, or something. they are the same. so if you check out their website, and see the same thing, you might want to e mail, or call them and ask what is the difference......maybe, the cheaper one is refurbished????.........altho i haven't found much info on how to use one, i did read you should only use it 2 or 3 times a week. I just got in my Dr Ho' s unit , a tens unit, but this one you place your feet on their foot pads, instead of putting a couple of electrodes on them. so far, i sort of like that, because i can feel the sensations shooting up my leg, up to the knee. I e mailed the company for a little info, and they said to use it aprx 20 mins 2 to 3 times a day. i've only used it twice so far. Hope we both find some thng that will work for us.

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@matt2go

That's ok, Shockwave is the original term for the same thing. Soundwave and Softwave are marketing names as "shock" frightens people. I'm currently getting treatment at a clinic that call it "Softwave" but the Dr. verified it's the same.
Hope your ultrasound device is working for you. (If you wanted to share the name I promise I won't think you're a salesperson).

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small update. Even tho i'm just starting the ultrasound and dr. hos' foot pads /tens units..........in this very short time.........i only used the ultrasound maybe 3 times each foot. i really thought it was helping reduce the stiffness in my feet. Didn't want to say that, because i thought it might be wishful thinking. However, last night and twice today, i used Dr' Ho's foot pads. altho i did like the sensation going up thu my legs, ....thinking....it was working well, ........it appears, that my feet are tighter then before..........oh crap!!! just wanted to note that to make sure you don't rush out and get a tens unit, yet, anyway. from TensPro, it was only $35.....but Dr; ho has foot pads which i thought would really be great.......maybe it still might help my legs, if i use it on them...........something i will have to tinker around with. But, since the ultrasound seemed to be helping the bottom of my feet.........tomorrow morning i will be going back to using it, one day on the right foot, next day on the left, then 2 days off, and then alternating the feet again............I also can't hardly cross my legs over each other. One leg i can a little, the other , not so much, so that also will be something i can see if there is a difference or not. I told a couple of chiropractors, ....i'm 82, and when i can hop, jump and skip around dancing to Footloose, which i really liked to do.........then...........i will consider myself healed!..........just wanted to point out the disappointment in the foot pads....so far, anyway.

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Yes I have been doing that and the rebuilder(soaking feet with the electrodes) and taking supplements along with following the dietary guidelines for several weeks and I do feel its doing me good. I was kinda apprehensive about the supplements and price but trying it anyway and I am glad I am because I do feel better.

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