What side effects, if any, did you have with Cyberknife?
Considering SBRT Cyberknife. Local Urology group has performed 4,000+ over last 10 years.
I am 65 I have T1c with all 12 cores positive (this seems unusual based on others I have followed). 11 (3 + 3) and 1 (3 + 4) with only < 5% a 4. No cribform or perinureal invasion. Had a CT and MRI. No cancer spread. Had second opinion and not recommended to active surveillance.
ED (only married 5 years )and leaking are important to me. Also worried about radiation bleed over to the rectum
What have been your experience with Cyberknife side effects. They would use the space OAR and 5 treatments. Very skilled radiologist
Any other recommendations for my type of cancer.
Having trouble deciding on treatment. I have been told it’s like pick your poison. .
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Actually, my situation was a little more involved.
Having first heard about PSA testing when I was 40y (in 1995), I started having PSA tests as part of my annual health checkups when I was 45y, and watched my PSA slowly rise each year (1.30, 1.64, 1.79, 1.87, 2.10, 2.60, 2.70, 3.40, 4.00 & 4.20). So, it wasn’t a big shock to me in April 2012 (at 56y), that my urologist told me that my “blind” biopsy showed low-grade, localized prostate cancer: Gleason 6(3+3); an independent second opinion confirmed this.
But, since it was only a 3+3, there was no need to panic or rush to a hasty treatment decision; I had time on my side. (Note that this was well before the availability of PSMA PET scans, and PET CT scans were generally not approved for initial diagnosis. So, we were reliant on MRI, CT, and bone scan results for any indications of metastasis.)
With no medically-necessary reason to treat (and after a thorough evaluation of the data and literature), I chose AS. I was on AS for about 9 years, not only tracking PSA (every 4-7 months) and biopsy (about every 2-1/4 years), we also regularly calculated the lesser-tracked numbers (% Free PSA, PSA Doubling Time, and PSA Density), as well as obtained OncotypeDx and Prolaris biomarker (genomic) test results in order to keep my AS truly “active.”
After about 9 years on AS, my Gleason reached 7(3+4), PSA reached 7.976, and a Prolaris biomarker test indicated that I had “exceeded the threshold for active surveillance.” That was my cue to leave AS and seek active treatment.
I ultimately chose 28 sessions of proton radiation + SpaceOAR Vue. Prior to starting treatment, a 2nd opinion increased the Gleason to 7(4+3), so we added 6 months (two 3-month injections) of Eligard.
I’ve had minimal adverse quality-of-life side-effects, which was my intent with my initial choice of AS and then proton radiation treatments. Now at 4 years post-treatment, PSA hovers between 0.35-0.55. My most recent PSA test (2-1/2 months ago) was 0.478; not bad for still having a prostate.
Today, it’s as if nothing ever happened - just walked through a door, got treated (28x), and then walked out the door…..it’s practically back to the way it was before the prostate cancer journey started.
Brian. Thanks. I think the only issues I may have against AS is all 12 cores positive. I think the other things you listed are N/A for me.
May request a decipher test and or PET scan. And possibly second opinion on slides. All less trouble than possible treatment side effects
Yes, a biomarker (genomic) test (like Decipher) and a 2nd opinion on the biopsy slides are good ideas.
A PSMA PET scan may not be approved given a 3+4=7 (and the low risk of metastasis). Never hurts to ask….
From my reading Gleason 3+4=7 often leads to active surveillance, while 4+3=7 often leads to stronger treatments.
The point is the cutoff for what counts as "cancer" is typically between 3 (possible pre-cancer) and 4 (possible early cancer).
With 3+4, the 3's are still most common, so it's not clear that cancer is developing too seriously yet; with 4+3 you have more cancer than pre-cancer irregular cells, and that means the cancer might be ready to start growing, though it might be very slow.
(Caveat that I'm a layperson, just getting this info from books and articles, and that there are other factors besides Gleason score).
I'm 50 and was diagnosed in January with Gleason 7 (6/12 cores, two 3+3, four 3+4, max 20%), Decipher 0.56, T1C, PSMA negative, genomic testing negative except for unrelated MITF mutation. My urologist (and all subsequent surgeons and ROs) recommended treatment, however he did say that he would probably recommend AS instead of treatment if I was 65 instead of 50.
I really wanted some form of SBRT and even traveled to MD Anderson in Houston hoping I was a good candidate for radiation with their MRI Linac machine (smaller margins than Cyberknife so a reduced likelihood of rectal issues). Unfortunately, all three ROs I saw recommended against a short course of radiation because they thought it would worsen my existing urinary issues. The ROs at MD Anderson recommended against radiation altogether so I'm having surgery next month. Sounds like you're a good candidate for SBRT and have a solid RO, but you may want to consider getting a second opinion from an RO who uses an MRI-guided version, if that's feasible.
With that very low cancer load you should look into less invasive therapies, such as TulsaPro or MRI guided HIFU.
You only have 5% of the ‘4’ component in your Gleason score so why go all in with radiation? You are so close to AS, yet they are telling you that you have to take this huge leap into treatment.
I had no choice really since my cancer was so extensive - it was EASY to accept life altering treatment. But you are no way in that position!
Educate yourself on these less invasive protocols and reach out to members on the forum who’ve had them. Many had cases worse than yours and were treated successfully without surgery or radiation. Just my thoughts…
Phil
Psychometric. Thanks so much. Good luck for your surgery. I understand the decision.
I asked my RO about the advantages MRI guided and he downplayed them (of course they own the Cyberknife).
However. Someone suggested I watch a video and Dr Roach (couldn’t post it) and he downplays the MRI advantage. Sometimes data seems to point in different directions.
Here's video that @jaygk refers to
Radiation & Side Effects For Prostate Cancer | Mack Roach III, MD & Q+A with Mark Moyad, MD PCRI
I had Cyber Knife for recurring prostate cancer in 2023. PSA now .08. I am 80 years old. My concern now, is weakness in the thighs and fatigue. Is this common and what can I do to regain strength? Asking for my husband, Tom
Is he on any drugs Or injections for prostate cancer?
My brother is 79 and Also had CyberKnife. He doesn’t have any of those issues. I’ve not heard of it as a known issue from other people who’ve had it, Unless they are on a drug to manage the cancer.