SBRT or Cyberknife 5 fractions
Hello
I have researched mri linac sbrt and cyberknife. (for five fractions)
Please comment on the following:
1)My understanding: for mri linac the patient is in the mri machine receiving radiation with adjustments due to movement for all 5 treatments.
2)the cyberknife uses a sophisticated xray activity to accomplish the same process.
I'm thinking xrays dont see soft tissue so cyberknife might be less accurate than mri guided.
3) the facility I am seeking treatment at is a NCI center. via the portal I asked the radiation nurse if they use mri guided linac for prostate sbrt and received this answer: "The MRI machine is a Viewray. Please note the SBRT technique is not routinely performed on the MRI Linac as an adaptive case. This technique can be utilized on our other machines as well".
It sounds like they are using the mri component at this facility only for staging purposes? I will find out for sure in a month.
Thanks
Ed
Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Prostate Cancer Support Group.
When comparing MRI-guided linear accelerators to CyberKnife for radiation therapy, the choice depends on clinical context, tumor characteristics, and institutional capabilities. Both technologies achieve sub-millimeter accuracy, but they differ in key areas:
CyberKnife excels at sparing nearby critical structures by creating steep dose gradients, particularly in complex cases like cardiac or prostate treatments. Its robotic arm allows non-isocentric beam angles for precise targeting of small lesions.
Linac-based systems (including MRI Linac) show advantages in reducing high-dose spillage to distant tissues and achieving faster treatment times. MRI Linac adds real-time soft-tissue visualization, enabling adaptive replanning during sessions.
For prostate SBRT, studies show no significant outcome differences between CyberKnife and Linac-based approaches. CyberKnife demonstrates slightly better organ-at-risk sparing, while Linac platforms offer comparable target coverage with shorter delivery times
Hard to pick one as better than the other.
thanks Jeff. that's very good info comparing the two.
do you have a comment on the radiation nurse's comment about not using adaptive radiation?
I think they are referring to the Linac Systems. I do not know enough to comment at this point. I imagine looking up the information on this with an AI Could get you some quick answers if you can come up with the right question.
@erbill
I had 5 treatments with the Mridian MRI linac radiation machine but these days the Elekta Unity, with similar real time MRI features, is also available. Although Cyberknife, as I understand it, uses multiple beams automatically coordinated to radiate a small spot, I narrowed my choice down to Proton or Viewray's Mridian. I then spoke with 5 radiation oncologists trained or at centers of excellence, with direct experience with the machine, as well as the President of Viewray, at the time, for some additional insight. My goal was obviously, minimize the chance of a biological re-occurrence but also to reduce or eliminate side effects and toxicity for a better quality of life.
The dynamic adaptive capability was an important piece for me after the built in MRI which uses smaller margins (2 mm vs 3-5 for other forms of radiation) and the auto gating shutoff feature. Even though the prostate does not move as much as other organs, I wanted those capabilities as I knew the prostate could move because of bladder filling, rectal gas, or patient movement so I wanted it as part of the machine, just in case.
The bottom line for me was the built in MRI and smaller margins of 2 mm and full use of the machines functionality was best for my treatment.
The first link below is to an article from urology times talking about the Mirage randomized trial and its conclusion that there is a significant difference in toxicity and side effects between built in MRI vs fused CT or other images use. The second link is to another study showing support for the Mirage trial but over a two year period after the Mirage trial.
https://www.urologytimes.com/view/mirage-trial-margin-reduction-with-mri-guided-sbrt-reduces-toxicity-vs-ct-guided-sbrt
https://www.europeanurology.com/article/S0302-2838(24)02688-5/fulltext
...pcri.org. You-Tube video with Mack Roach MD UCSF radiation oncologist describes problems with the MIRAGE study showing better outcomes for the MRI 'guided' approach. (Ten days ago, end of April 2025)
fast forward to 15.00 to 24.00 minutes but it is all interesting
https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-avast-securebrowser&ei=UTF-8&hsimp=yhs-securebrowser&hspart=avast¶m1=n¶m2=20241208¶m3=Avast+Secure+Browser%7C122.0.24368.130¶m4=17%7C5.2.590%7C&p=PCRI.org+video+of+Matt+Roach+MD&type=6320#id=3&vid=2879f8c46909fbb3e1c52861b38f39cb&action=click
Do you know what Mayo uses for it’s image guided Proton therapy?
I have read that they use magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) or computerized tomography (CT) scans but they will use fused images for the Proton Therapy as there is no Proton Therapy with the built-in Mri available in the commercial marketplace, at least yet.
Thanks for the video reference. I have seen Dr Roach on video. He seems like a no BS kind of guy. He's probably an excellent radiotherapy artist (almost freelancer style). I respect his years of experience. I will take a look at the complete video. Additionally, I wonder if UCSF is not allotting funds for adaptive radiotherapy treatment during each fraction.
Thanks for your opinion.
I am leaning towards the mri guided sbrt over cyberknife due to the mri function. It appears that the cancer center I go to is not doing adaptive radiology with each fraction. I have been in contact with a patient on another site who had to convince the RO at this site to use the mri linac daily for his prostate cancer. I asked AI to prepare a list of mri linac sites. I would have to validate each site listed prior to posting. Looks like I would have to travel out of florida to get mri guided. There are cyberknife experts in my area though that have done cyberknife for PC for 20 and 30 years.
@erbill
They have the MRIdian at the Orlando cancer institute, the Miami cancer institute and the Moffitt cancer center in Tampa Florida.