FLOT chemotherapy? How many rounds?

Posted by emersonmoon @emersonmoon, Apr 4 2:05pm

Did a lot of people here go through a FLOT regime? The surgeon did not find any metastasis and said my hubby’s best option for survival is FLOT, surgery, and then more chemo. He thinks radiation would not be needed with this. We’re leaning toward this but are frightened by the chemo-originally the oncologist was leaning toward low dose chemo once a week, paired with radiation 5 days a week. This felt manageable, while this new option feels like a mountain. I worry about him tolerating the side effects (he’s 65 but in good shape and good health prior to the cancer diagnosis). I don’t want him to be so worn out by the chemo that he can’t have the surgery. But the overall results are showing better long term.

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He’s not doing any radiation but has been using the mouthwash. He had his first chemo last Wednesday and just noticed a couple of sores in his mouth this morning. 🙁 I suggested he start using it more; hopefully it helps. He has been really tired though, and feeling really bad. I’m not sure they didn’t dose him a little too much because he’s having some serious cognitive issues.

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Hubby went through round 1 and it was a little rough, though maybe not as bad as for some people. He’s having issues with the j-tube leaking and now his skin around the disc is raw; the doc gave him an antibiotic to prevent infection or resolve it (surgeon says it’s not infected). His white blood cell count has gone from being high to being almost nothing and he’s doing three shots to help boost them. Is it normal to feel this weak after the first cycle? I’m very afraid of what the next will do to him. This is for sure not for the weak of heart. Last night he spiked a fever of 101.4 and I was out looking for a new thermometer at 10pm because he didn’t feel that hot to the touch. Got home with the new one, still 101.4 . Called the on call doc, after a glass of water and a cool compress took his temp again:98 degrees. I hope my new job can understand that my life is not going to be stable for a while. We vastly under estimated all the things that can go wrong just during treatment alone.

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@emersonmoon

Hubby went through round 1 and it was a little rough, though maybe not as bad as for some people. He’s having issues with the j-tube leaking and now his skin around the disc is raw; the doc gave him an antibiotic to prevent infection or resolve it (surgeon says it’s not infected). His white blood cell count has gone from being high to being almost nothing and he’s doing three shots to help boost them. Is it normal to feel this weak after the first cycle? I’m very afraid of what the next will do to him. This is for sure not for the weak of heart. Last night he spiked a fever of 101.4 and I was out looking for a new thermometer at 10pm because he didn’t feel that hot to the touch. Got home with the new one, still 101.4 . Called the on call doc, after a glass of water and a cool compress took his temp again:98 degrees. I hope my new job can understand that my life is not going to be stable for a while. We vastly under estimated all the things that can go wrong just during treatment alone.

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The first 3 rounds on my dad were not to bad. First 2 days he was fine. It was day 3 thru 5 that was the worst. Laid on the couch most of the day and then seemed to come around just enough to go back in for another round. Completed round 5 and worst I have ever seen him. Almost thought he was dying. Hallucinations, so weak, couldn't even talk, coming in and out. Stayed like that for 2 weeks. That was his last round until after surgrey. Thank God because not sure he could handle more. He's starting to talk and move around more now. Radiation is starting to make it difficult to eat again so it's hard to keep nutrition up. We asked for PPN to help keep nutrition up since hes so fatigue. I think that will help. Mouth sores have gone away. It's a rough road.

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My husband will be having his first treatment May 6 any advice of what I should prepare ahead of time or what I should expect as a caregiver?

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@sosereal

Hi,
I am in a Rochester mayo trial. It has 2-3 weeks of reduced treatments. I have had 2 of 4 FLOT, to be followed by 2 FOLFLOX and 3 weeks of daily Proton radiation. So far it hasnt been too bad. Some neuropathy setting in, light nausea and digestive.
This trial may be an option to discuss with your Oncologist. Its called PHOX trial - only at Rochester and AZ
We all share very similar feelings of surrealness, despair and anger. We search for information, positive stories and results and the comfort and insight of others that can truely understand.
Best Wishes! RickK

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My husband was just recently diagnosed, and he will start the PHOX regimen as of May 6. He will have two months of chemo then three weeks of a combination of chemo radiation and then surgery.

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@kmordan

My husband was just recently diagnosed, and he will start the PHOX regimen as of May 6. He will have two months of chemo then three weeks of a combination of chemo radiation and then surgery.

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Yes, this caregiver what would be the main thing or piece of advice you can give me to help him through this?

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@kmordan

My husband will be having his first treatment May 6 any advice of what I should prepare ahead of time or what I should expect as a caregiver?

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Make the baking soda/salt water mouthwash to try to stave off mouth sores and heal them. Make sure you remind him to take the anti nausea medicine prescribed. That’s helped my hubby to be able to eat. It’s hard; I’m having trouble, hurting very badly seeing him this way.

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@s6819103

The first 3 rounds on my dad were not to bad. First 2 days he was fine. It was day 3 thru 5 that was the worst. Laid on the couch most of the day and then seemed to come around just enough to go back in for another round. Completed round 5 and worst I have ever seen him. Almost thought he was dying. Hallucinations, so weak, couldn't even talk, coming in and out. Stayed like that for 2 weeks. That was his last round until after surgrey. Thank God because not sure he could handle more. He's starting to talk and move around more now. Radiation is starting to make it difficult to eat again so it's hard to keep nutrition up. We asked for PPN to help keep nutrition up since hes so fatigue. I think that will help. Mouth sores have gone away. It's a rough road.

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I’m glad to hear he’s starting to do a little better. That’s scary! Sometimes I think these docs don’t look at the human element of how hard this is. No way is my hubby doing more than 4 ahead. I’m afraid of what cycle 2 is going to be like. Did they do a scan on your Dad? My hubby isn’t doing radiation, thankfully. The mass is small enough that they don’t think it’s necessary with this protocol. I feel like, at some point, we’re going to see if a lesser dosage will still be effective, maybe after the surgery (🙏🏼 we get there).

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@kmordan

Yes, this caregiver what would be the main thing or piece of advice you can give me to help him through this?

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Hi - 🙂
For me the FLOT has gone pretty well. My 4th treatment May 2 then Folfox and Proton. Some slight nausea (additively increasing), neuropathy (soles of feet, fingers, tongue - taste) - all tolerable.
- Bring ice-ice packs for feet, and hands- fingers. Use compression socks. They can provide ice chips for your mouth. I also double up a size too small latex gloves.
- I believe that the supplements I take helps with energy and side effects. ( Bromelain and Ellagic acid powder ( mixed with Gatorade), Magnesium, Curcumin, Iron, B-complex, Ginger root and Lutein. It seems like every positive study on supplements has an opposing one. Check with your Oncologist.
- Don't loose faith. There seems to be so much sadness and negative vibes but there are many positive outcomes. Try not to get hung up on survival rates its a dark side.
- Get as much exercise as possible.
- Eat-Eat-Eat... We will loose weight through our journey!
- Keep a journal
- Checkout Zoom support groups here is one that I regularly follow.
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All my greatest prayers and wishes, I'm sure we will cross paths. RickK

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@emersonmoon

I’m glad to hear he’s starting to do a little better. That’s scary! Sometimes I think these docs don’t look at the human element of how hard this is. No way is my hubby doing more than 4 ahead. I’m afraid of what cycle 2 is going to be like. Did they do a scan on your Dad? My hubby isn’t doing radiation, thankfully. The mass is small enough that they don’t think it’s necessary with this protocol. I feel like, at some point, we’re going to see if a lesser dosage will still be effective, maybe after the surgery (🙏🏼 we get there).

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They haven't done a scan since starting chemo. They said once radiation is done and settled they will. Radiation inflammation will not show a true scan.

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