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Had HoLEP (so far so good), biopsy was 3+4=7, oncologist recommended Decipher-PSAMA-PET/MR Pelvic also both with and without regents and then decide course of action..totally confsued!! Age 67
This is a tough one - Epstein is doyen in his field but 3 other reports place it in 3+4 group ! Everybody can make a mistake so can Epstein. How about you send it to another big center like Hopkins or Mayo ?
When I was diagnosed with 7(3+4), I got a 2nd opinion on the biopsy tissues. I understood fully that a Gleason score is just a pathologist’s educated, expert opinion of what is seen in the tissues under a microscope. A 2nd (& 3rd….) opinion is exactly that as well - just one pathologist’s educated, expert opinion of what is seen in the tissues under a microscope.
Much of the interpretation of images, scans, and slides is often as much an art as it is a science and dependent on the skill and experience of whoever is doing the reading.
In my case, I made a commitment:
> if the 2nd opinion came back a lower 6(3+3), I would still get treated to the higher 7(3+4).
> if the 2nd opinion came back the same 7(3+4), I would get treated to the 7(3+4).
> if the 2nd opinion came back a higher 7(4+3), I would get treated to the higher 7(4+3).
As it turned out, the 2nd opinion came back a higher 7(4+3) so, out of an abundance of caution, that’s what I got treated to.
You’ll have to establish your own criteria for which biopsy interpretation you’ll use for making your treatment decision.
Wishing you the best in your decision.
Did you contact the Epstein office to pursue this difference of opinion? There’s probably a very fine line between 3+3 and 3+4 with some slides. Contact their office to find out how they came up with a 3+3 when other places say 3+4. Was there a fine line in some of the slides they saw that they interpreted as 3+3.