...sorry ,not following conversation but noticed ginger: if you like hot drink, can buy a piece of ginger root in grocery store and I cut about an inch off, wash and peel and cut in 4 pieces, add hot water. So can have it like that, or add honey or lemon. if you wrap the rest of the root in damp paper towel and put in plastic bag or container it will keep quite a while. A few years ago I did successfully grown some in the garden, sort of like a potato grows, but I read now that they sometimes put a coating on it to stop the growth of the shoots if you buy root in store ?? so I make sure I wash it (they also coat apples and other vegetables so there is no escaping it)... with our cold winters the root cant stay in soil... anyway, just an alternative and it tastes quite nice. J.