ADT with EBRT and Brachytherapy

Posted by hans_casteels @hanscasteels, Dec 5, 2024

Apologies for perhaps asking a redundant question. There are some recent studies that claim that a dose of ADT, when selecting EBRT and a Brachytherapy boost as a therapy method, really doesn’t result in mortality rates (or perhaps, survival rate) differential. I am aware that, just like in any business, changing what has become mantra, is immensely difficult. Given the nefast effecten of testosteron depreciation, is there any further insight on the usefulness or effectiveness of the various pharmaceuticals as a treatment component for prostate cancer (with cribriform)

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I’m seeking guidance on how best to proceed if PSA levels remain elevated following HDR brachytherapy and EBRT, after six months of Firmagon treatment. In my case, the standard treatment protocol appears to be yielding suboptimal results, and I am concerned that a strictly dogmatic approach may overlook more individualized or advanced options. I am assuming that cribriform glands have developed a resistance to both ADT as well as Radiation.
What alternative strategies or next steps would be appropriate to consider in this context? I would like to be well-informed so I can advocate effectively for further expert consultation and possibly explore tailored or non-conventional treatment pathways. Any insights or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

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I just attended our local prostate cancer support group meeting with a Nano knife surgeon (an academic with a large personal series of experiences). If I understood correctly, rising PSA after radiotherapy, MRI is recommended. Nanoknife treatment could be an option if there is localized tumour not extending beyond prostate capsule. Good luck.

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Most often I have net zero cognitive content.

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Glad the treatment hasn’t altered your personality, Hans. How many more sessions until you’re done?
Phil

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Glad the treatment hasn’t altered your personality, Hans. How many more sessions until you’re done?
Phil

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Hi Phil,
Thirteen to go. So, nearly there—if one considers "nearly" in the same spirit the Belgians consider summer: technically coming, rarely enjoyable, and always slightly disappointing when it arrives.

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I just attended our local prostate cancer support group meeting with a Nano knife surgeon (an academic with a large personal series of experiences). If I understood correctly, rising PSA after radiotherapy, MRI is recommended. Nanoknife treatment could be an option if there is localized tumour not extending beyond prostate capsule. Good luck.

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I am assuming that “nano” applies to the knife, and not the surgeon? I’d be very happy if we had some “Borg” technology, where micro drones with micro knives cut micro pieces of this uninvited guest until extinction of that guest. Not the host. Even though I keep advocating for a more pragmatic and dramatic intervention, the local radiation gnomes insist on following treatment dogma.

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I am assuming that “nano” applies to the knife, and not the surgeon? I’d be very happy if we had some “Borg” technology, where micro drones with micro knives cut micro pieces of this uninvited guest until extinction of that guest. Not the host. Even though I keep advocating for a more pragmatic and dramatic intervention, the local radiation gnomes insist on following treatment dogma.

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Out of curiosity, what dramatic and pragmatic course of action are you proposing?
I know you are concerned about innate castrate resistance but how can you know what to do until after the dogmatic approach fails?? How can the doctors know??
Phil

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I’m seeking guidance on how best to proceed if PSA levels remain elevated following HDR brachytherapy and EBRT, after six months of Firmagon treatment. In my case, the standard treatment protocol appears to be yielding suboptimal results, and I am concerned that a strictly dogmatic approach may overlook more individualized or advanced options. I am assuming that cribriform glands have developed a resistance to both ADT as well as Radiation.
What alternative strategies or next steps would be appropriate to consider in this context? I would like to be well-informed so I can advocate effectively for further expert consultation and possibly explore tailored or non-conventional treatment pathways. Any insights or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

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I believe nano knife is a focal therapy using electricity, cryotherapy uses extreme cold, HIFU uses high intensity
ultrasound waves and HDR (high intensity radiotherapy) uses probes which cover 'radioactive' skinny needles. ( a temporary brachytherapy.) They are principally for one lesion in one area.

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I am assuming that “nano” applies to the knife, and not the surgeon? I’d be very happy if we had some “Borg” technology, where micro drones with micro knives cut micro pieces of this uninvited guest until extinction of that guest. Not the host. Even though I keep advocating for a more pragmatic and dramatic intervention, the local radiation gnomes insist on following treatment dogma.

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Don’t be a Guinea pig- could be hazardous sir.

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Out of curiosity, what dramatic and pragmatic course of action are you proposing?
I know you are concerned about innate castrate resistance but how can you know what to do until after the dogmatic approach fails?? How can the doctors know??
Phil

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An excellent point—why bother with lifeboats until the ship actually sinks? Let’s just keep rearranging deck chairs and hope the iceberg was a metaphor.

As for my proposed course of action, I was thinking something bold, like using evidence, judgment, and a dash of foresight—radical, I know.

If dogma gets us there eventually, I suppose we can always circle back after the slow-motion train wreck concludes.

I can’t help but suspect that this is only the beginning

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Don’t be a Guinea pig- could be hazardous sir.

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I suppose unless there’s nothing to lose…

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An excellent point—why bother with lifeboats until the ship actually sinks? Let’s just keep rearranging deck chairs and hope the iceberg was a metaphor.

As for my proposed course of action, I was thinking something bold, like using evidence, judgment, and a dash of foresight—radical, I know.

If dogma gets us there eventually, I suppose we can always circle back after the slow-motion train wreck concludes.

I can’t help but suspect that this is only the beginning

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BOLD how? What would YOU have done if your particular case and set of circumstances presented itself to YOUR urology/oncology office? Procedures, treatments and drug therapies all at your disposal?
I am truly curious to hear your unorthodox treatment plan.
Best,
Phil

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