ADT with EBRT and Brachytherapy

Posted by hans_casteels @hanscasteels, Dec 5, 2024

Apologies for perhaps asking a redundant question. There are some recent studies that claim that a dose of ADT, when selecting EBRT and a Brachytherapy boost as a therapy method, really doesn’t result in mortality rates (or perhaps, survival rate) differential. I am aware that, just like in any business, changing what has become mantra, is immensely difficult. Given the nefast effecten of testosteron depreciation, is there any further insight on the usefulness or effectiveness of the various pharmaceuticals as a treatment component for prostate cancer (with cribriform)

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Prostate Cancer Support Group.

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If you do need genetic testing

You can get it done free with the below link, if you live in the United States. Do not check the box that you want your doctor involved or they won’t send you the kit. It takes about three weeks to get the results and then a genetic counselor will call you.
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Prostatecancerpromise.org

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Fortunately, I live in Ontario, you know, your friendly neighbour above the crack house. I am not sure that these interventions are available here, but I’ll inquire.

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Fortunately, I live in Ontario, you know, your friendly neighbour above the crack house. I am not sure that these interventions are available here, but I’ll inquire.

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They are more likely to agree to genetic tests if you have cancer in your family. If you don’t know exactly what kind someone had you might find out before requesting testing from your doctor.

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They are more likely to agree to genetic tests if you have cancer in your family. If you don’t know exactly what kind someone had you might find out before requesting testing from your doctor.

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I would if I knew who my genetic donor was.

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Fortunately, I live in Ontario, you know, your friendly neighbour above the crack house. I am not sure that these interventions are available here, but I’ll inquire.

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You ll always be a friendly neighbor. Try some white button mushroom powder in your coffee/ tea- studies are still in progress on this subject.

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Fortunately, I live in Ontario, you know, your friendly neighbour above the crack house. I am not sure that these interventions are available here, but I’ll inquire.

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Here is a link that may provide some guidance on obtaining germline testing in Ontario given your cribform patholigy: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10581723/.

I want to add how much I enjoy the phrasing of your posts, notwithstanding the seriousness of the content.
Bill

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Here is a link that may provide some guidance on obtaining germline testing in Ontario given your cribform patholigy: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10581723/.

I want to add how much I enjoy the phrasing of your posts, notwithstanding the seriousness of the content.
Bill

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He does have a dry wit, doesn’t he? I always look forward to his posts even though, as you say, the subject matter is less than funny.

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Here is a link that may provide some guidance on obtaining germline testing in Ontario given your cribform patholigy: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10581723/.

I want to add how much I enjoy the phrasing of your posts, notwithstanding the seriousness of the content.
Bill

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Thank you. Appreciate the link and I'll ask about this after my today's visit to the zap machine.

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Fortunately, I live in Ontario, you know, your friendly neighbour above the crack house. I am not sure that these interventions are available here, but I’ll inquire.

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An additional link to Cancer Care Ontario's page of guidelines. At the center of the page is a link to their specific guidelines by cancer type.
"Hereditary Prostate Cancer
Prostate cancer is a common malignancy that is frequently associated with hereditary cancer
syndromes, particularly when individuals present with advanced and/or metastatic disease. Evidence of
high risk, invasive disease may be found in pathology reports, operative reports, urology notes and/or
oncology notes. A history of systemic chemotherapy, distant metastasis and/or death due to disease
can be considered sufficient evidence to confirm metastatic prostate cancer in a patient or family
member. Hereditary cancer testing can be considered for individuals with a:
1. Personal history of metastatic prostate cancer.
2. Documented personal history of high risk, locally advanced, prostate cancer.
• High risk prostate cancer can be confirmed with evidence of one or more of the following
features:
• T3 (or higher) staging11, Grade Group 4 or 5 (Gleason Score 8 to 10)
12, lymph node
involvement, PSA ≥20.
3. Personal history of prostate cancer with ≥1 close relatives with prostate cancer.
• One relative must have evidence of high risk or metastatic disease.
4. Personal history of prostate cancer with ≥2 close relatives13 with prostate, pancreas, ovarian and/or
breast cancer regardless of age or stage.
Note: There is currently conflicting evidence for prostate tumours with intraductal/ductal pathology and
this feature is not considered to be independently sufficient to confirm eligibility for genetic testing at
this time. The evidence will be reviewed periodically and this criteria will be amended if needed."
https://www.cancercareontario.ca/en/guidelines-advice/types-of-cancer/70161

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I’m seeking guidance on how best to proceed if PSA levels remain elevated following HDR brachytherapy and EBRT, after six months of Firmagon treatment. In my case, the standard treatment protocol appears to be yielding suboptimal results, and I am concerned that a strictly dogmatic approach may overlook more individualized or advanced options. I am assuming that cribriform glands have developed a resistance to both ADT as well as Radiation.
What alternative strategies or next steps would be appropriate to consider in this context? I would like to be well-informed so I can advocate effectively for further expert consultation and possibly explore tailored or non-conventional treatment pathways. Any insights or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

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I don't know if you have had a post-treatment PSA, but I can warn you that my 9.0 PSA spiked to 11.96 after SBRT.
It has since declined, but seeing a post treatment jump is not unheard of. Radiation can be quite a rollercoaster ride.

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He does have a dry wit, doesn’t he? I always look forward to his posts even though, as you say, the subject matter is less than funny.

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Most often I have net zero cognitive content.

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