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Osteoporosis & Bone Health | Last Active: Mar 28 9:35am | Replies (25)

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@fireweed4286 , thanks for sharing these info! It is interesting to see what other endos do in terms of labs to figure out possible secondary causes. I read an article containing a "complete list" (maybe close to complete) for the causes and corresponding tests/labs but could not find it anymore. Some disease states could become a secondary cause for bone loss such as thyroid problems, gastrointestinal problems (celiac, ibs etc), etc. Certain prescription drug uses in the past or at present could be a cause too. In some, inadequate or improper nutrition could be a cause. Genetics could play a part... In any case, bone loss in postmenopausal women almost always has a component of estrogen difficiency.

It is interesting CTX and P1NP are commonly used in therapy monitoring, and as you pointed out, they are recommended by IOF. These two are not used as tools in diagnostics. Both Alkaline phosphatase (ALP) and bone-specific alkaline phosphatase (BSAP), on the other hand, could be used in diagnosis of certain bone disorders or assessing metabolic bone diseases, among other clinical uses. I think your endo was getting them tested to rule out these.

BSAP are also used by some endos to monitor bone formation during therapy, but we hear P1NP has become more commonly used nowadays.

It is interesting to note that bone-specific alkaline phospatase (BSAP) is a component of total alkaline phosphatase (ALP). The latter is included in CMP, complete metabolic panel. As a matter of fact, if the bone forming signal is strong enough while on an anabolic, we could see an uptick of ALP without even getting BSAP tested. I saw my total ALP almost doubled (above upper limit of normal range) during peak Forteo effect. In general, ALP is not a specific or sensitive indicator for bone formation compared to BSAP. I read that P1NP and BSAP measure different stages of bone formation and that P1NP is a more sensitive and dynamic indicator.

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Also women who have breastfed may have bone loss

@mayblin and @patwerthman
My Endo called back on his lunch break to update me on the labs he was waiting for. Prior to me getting the labs, he had said if the labs checked out fine, he recommended Forteo.

As I anticipated, he said the labs were all “fine.” However, he went on to say because of the calcium in my urine( the only positive test of all the tests I’ve had to date in addition to the DEXA scan) I cannot use Forteo nor Tymlos. Instead, he is recommending, Evenity.

I tried to clarify if genetics alone is the source of my osteoporosis( since everything is negative except for the DEXA and calcium in my urine). He did not exactly give me a clear answer, but did say, “ your body isn’t absorbing calcium, so it’s going out in your urine.” At least, that’s what I, “heard.” I tried to clarify again, but ge said he was on his lunch break and had to go, but to think about the Evenity and to let him know if I wanted to start it or not.

That’s where it’s at for me right now. I’m waiting for my appt at the Cleveland Clinic Bone Center, May 19, and hopefully get more information/answers. In the meantime. I will keep learning everything I can and prepare for this visit. I will keep you posted! Keep me up to speed how you are doing as well!!