Yeah I have too keep an eye on my kindle. The spell check is crazy. I have used lidocaine patches before but they have only worked for acute injuries. I am 70 so I won't be falling down any mountains . although I would like to try back packing but I just have too much pain and mostly am not taken seriously so I cannot even do a good job of condituoning. Cymbal at was a godsend. My daughter committed suicide and I found her body after about a year it was clear I might always need it to get over what happened it would be a long term effort if ever. So that's why I was on cymbal at so long. I just found out it was discontinued globally along with full it one not that dull it one worked.the pain relief was a wonderful side effect.and I don't like the person I am becoming and I cry. Often about victoria