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Ignoring Prostate Cancer Entirely

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A few comments:

- IMHO “individual patient circumstances and preferences” ALWAYS trump even the best RCT’s.

- many folks equate “active surveillance” with “doing nothing”; when a true AS program is actually the opposite.

- the fundamental idea of AS is tied to the nature of low risk PCa….if/when the clinical/genomic evidence indicates unfavorable progression has occurred, usually defined by a confirmed biopsy of Gleason 4+3 (or higher) or a high risk Decipher score, THEN it is time to select a definitive treatment.

Of course, some men simply cannot bear the idea of any form of “cancer” being found in their body.

This is why some urologists and researchers advocate for a name change of Gleason 3+3 prostate cancer, suggesting terms like “IDLE” (Indolent Lesion of Epithelial Origin).

- the point of the ProtecT trial was to prove (as well as medical science is capable of proving) that there is no STATISTICALLY significant reason to choose immediate treat over AS for localized PCa.

In others words, one is NOT “rolling the dice” by choosing AS with low risk PCa.

….but low risk PCa folks are going to do what they want to do and and you’ll get no argument from me if it was simply a personal preference….just don’t indicate that “science” is the reason for their POV.

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"In others words, one is NOT “rolling the dice” by choosing AS with low risk PCa."

That was not at all what I was saying, and I think you have mistaken the intent of the post. AS is not ignoring anything, it's keeping an eye on it. Ignoring it, to me, says that you don't feel any symptoms but have a high enough risk cancer that you should do something but don't because you feel fine, thinking that PC should have symptoms to do anything about it.

And, I was very clear, I do not judge anyone who wants to take this path, I simply linked an article explaining what that path looks like.

All truly excellent points - especially about the notion that AS means doing nothing…quite the opposite!
And as Cianci points out - and which I’d stupidly forgotten - 76% of men under AS eventually DID get treatment, so only 24% of that AS cohort got away scott free! I’m no math whiz, but I think that changes the numbers a bit.
Mortality would have NEVER been the same in the AS group as it was in the surgery/radiation group since some of those men might have died without treatment; so again, we’re back to Gleason 6’s not amounting to much - not even cancer - and guys over 80 not needing treatment…Cheerio, mate!!