Resolution of Side Effects after Stopping ADT/Lupron

Posted by retireddoc @retireddoc, Jan 21, 2024

Hello everyone. I am 70 years old and was diagnosed with PC about 2 and a half years ago, G9 with extra capsular extension but node negative on RP !0/21. Rising PSA post op with PSMA PET revealed solitary met T8 treated with SBRT. Again, rising PSA (rapid doubling time) with repeat PET revealed positive LN in pelvis. Sought systemic treatment at Johns Hopkins. Immediately started on ADT (3 month Lupron), Darolutamide and chemo with Taxotere. After second chemo treatment my PSA was undetectable and has thankfully remained so. My MO kept me on Lupron for one year so my last 3 month injection was July 2023.

I have experienced significant fatigue, hot flashes, loss of body hair (partly due to chem but hair head grew back, loss of libido, muscle loss and joint stiffness/soreness, depression and poor concentration and genital shrinkage as a the result of the Lupron. Pretty much the full monty.

My question to those that were on ADT and then taken off: how long before the symptoms improve or completely go away? I know it is dependent on return of testosterone and that is variable. My testosterone was in the 500s pre Lupron and my last blood draw (Dec 5, 2023-2 months after the 3 month Lupron should "quit working") my Testosterone was < 3. Fortunately the hot flashes are abating.

I read in the literature that it can take a year or more but is dependent on multiple factors. I have found the real life experience of those on this forum to be more helpful to me for questions like this.
Any help with specifics regarding the above side effects would be greatly appreciated.

Good luck to everyone on this journey!

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@heavyphil

Well, if you go that route may I suggest a younger RO - early 40’s or so? I say this because most older drs do things by rote; they have a treatment protocol they’ve gotten used to over the years and usually don’t deviate from it no matter what.
Younger drs. Are nurtured on newer techniques and research - in fact, most of them are required to publish and take part in clinical research during their training.
Ask yourself where you might be today had you gotten a second opinion from a younger surgeon- someone who might have taken your age into account. You might never have had surgery at all, right?
Probably ADT, but more likely Orgovyx and not Lupron and perhaps your side effects would have been less. Chances are if you are depressed you are in a funk and can’t be motivated into seeking out a second opinion, and I get that.
But as you’ve corresponded on this forum, I get the sense that you really want a do-over, or at least, change some of your decisions which were made by trusting in your doctors explicitly and not doing enough research on your own. That’s a mistake many of us older guys make - the doctor always knows best!
Well, you see firsthand what that gets you, OK?? At least now you still have the opportunity to take part in the decision making once someone new lays out the facts for you. But you’ll never know if you don’t try….best
Phil

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Very good advice I should have gotten a second opinion from the start, my bad

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In reply to @pkeith
Wow! I was thinking something of that nature.
Just something else to be concerned with and worry about.
Thank you!
There is so much to learn here.
Unfortunately, most is not good!
Best wishes to you,
PAUL

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@pkeith

My husband was diagnosed with a Gleason grade 9 prostate cancer nodule ( that had NOT spread outside of the prostate) and was treated with 9 months Orgovyx and 28 days of targeted radiation. The Orgovyx caused severe joint swelling and pain (along with the usual hot flashes , erectile dysfunction and organ shrinkage) and severe drop in RBC count, hemoglobin , and abnormal liver enzymes. Our doc insisted he stay on Orgovyx but my husband lost the use of his legs at 9 months which we eventually learned was due to 2 severe bone fractures in his sacrum which will NOT heal. He now has a blood infection due to depressed immunity but the risk/benefit of this ADT treatment was never discussed with us. I do not think the Testosterone numbers really say anything about the recovery times after ADT. Any info after stopping Orgovyx ( we are now 7 months since stopping) but side effects like fracture , loss of libido and anemia seem permanent. Any info for this caregiver?

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Just a few observations:

It would be unusual for "loss of use of legs" (if you mean he is paralyzed below the waist) to be due to sacral fractures. The nerves affecting motor function of the lower extremities exit above the sacrum. Does he have any fractures in the spine elsewhere? Sacral fractures can be difficult to heal but can be treated by an Interventional Radiologist doing a procedure called sacroplasty. Using CT guidance, a needle is placed into the fracture and cement is injected to stabilize the fracture. This is performed for unrelenting, persistent pain for fractures that won't heal after a few months.

The whole purpose of any ADT medication (Orgovyx/Lupron) is to severely lower the testosterone level. How long the T stays depressed is mainly dependent on: 1) patient age, 2) length of time on ADT and 3) the T level prior to beginning treatment. Older men (>70) may never regain normal (>250-300) levels of T. Once T level becomes normal, most men regain libido. It may take time, exercise etc to build bone mass if the T levels return to normal. I do not know about the anemia.

Reportedly, men tend to regain T levels faster after discontinuation of Orgovyx than Lupron.

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@pkeith

The sacral fractures are from the Orgovyx! So, not from a fall or trauma. As we have learned, Orgovyx can cause osteoporosis which should be monitored for severity during ADT
and if bone thinning is seen then a "pause" for treatment of the bone can avoid fractures.This was NOT done in my husbands case as his bone inflammation was trivialized until the 2 back fractures happened. Be careful with Orgovyx as this side effect is permanent

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They never monitored your husband’s blood for alkaline phosphatase? Calcium levels? Those are pretty good indicators of bone destruction.
Go back and look at his enzyme tests snd see if it’s there.

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@retireddoc

Just a few observations:

It would be unusual for "loss of use of legs" (if you mean he is paralyzed below the waist) to be due to sacral fractures. The nerves affecting motor function of the lower extremities exit above the sacrum. Does he have any fractures in the spine elsewhere? Sacral fractures can be difficult to heal but can be treated by an Interventional Radiologist doing a procedure called sacroplasty. Using CT guidance, a needle is placed into the fracture and cement is injected to stabilize the fracture. This is performed for unrelenting, persistent pain for fractures that won't heal after a few months.

The whole purpose of any ADT medication (Orgovyx/Lupron) is to severely lower the testosterone level. How long the T stays depressed is mainly dependent on: 1) patient age, 2) length of time on ADT and 3) the T level prior to beginning treatment. Older men (>70) may never regain normal (>250-300) levels of T. Once T level becomes normal, most men regain libido. It may take time, exercise etc to build bone mass if the T levels return to normal. I do not know about the anemia.

Reportedly, men tend to regain T levels faster after discontinuation of Orgovyx than Lupron.

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Thanks for the comments. Lost the use of his legs does not mean paralysis but rather that after 9 months of ADT, he suddenly could not walk nor stand without a walker and also had excruciating pain down both legs ; a CT and MRI confirmed 2 severe fractures in his sacrum with accompanying bone loss. A trauma surgeon in Raleigh inserted 2 screws to stabilize the fractures, but after 7 months, the fractures have not healed due to the "poor quality of the bone" after ADT.

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