Prostate cancer and co-morbidity. An interesting study.

Posted by hanscasteels @hanscasteels, 23 hours ago

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That makes sense. Non-metastatic prostate cancer (which they focussed on) is very often curable these days, so other health issues would jump to the forefront.

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@northoftheborder

That makes sense. Non-metastatic prostate cancer (which they focussed on) is very often curable these days, so other health issues would jump to the forefront.

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Spot on, North - nobody EVER dies from the non-metastatic type, do they? Why would they?
So it’s always cardiovascular disease and diabetes that gets THOSE men in the end….or something else. I guess that’s where “most men die with, not from” comes from…
Another article that literally offers nothing in the way of progress; just another statement of the obvious!
Phil

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It's kind of saying that all men who don't die of prostate cancer die of something else. It's 100% accurate 100% of the time. I won't fall into this group because I'm planning to die from something new that nobody has ever died from yet, and it'll be groundbreaking and become trendy.

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@heavyphil

Spot on, North - nobody EVER dies from the non-metastatic type, do they? Why would they?
So it’s always cardiovascular disease and diabetes that gets THOSE men in the end….or something else. I guess that’s where “most men die with, not from” comes from…
Another article that literally offers nothing in the way of progress; just another statement of the obvious!
Phil

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I think the point is that recurrence of non-metastatic cancer in metastatic form is a lower mortality risk than other health issues (like diabetes or heart disease), so don't let the shock of big "C" word distract you from taking care of the rest of your health.

Even with metastatic cancer, I spend a lot of time trying to make sure that if I somehow beat this I don't get taken down early by something else.

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@northoftheborder

I think the point is that recurrence of non-metastatic cancer in metastatic form is a lower mortality risk than other health issues (like diabetes or heart disease), so don't let the shock of big "C" word distract you from taking care of the rest of your health.

Even with metastatic cancer, I spend a lot of time trying to make sure that if I somehow beat this I don't get taken down early by something else.

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And that's exactly the thing to do. I also stay active. I may not have metastatic cancer but I haven't had my first post RARP PSA yet either so I feel like I'm still in limbo. Even then, as I've seen here numerous times, this thing can come back to hit you at any point and my current lucky streak may very well run out. Better to stay in shape, keep my pelvic floor healthy and hedge my bets, it costs nothing more than time and effort to do so.

Case in point: https://www.pcf.org/patient-resources/living-prostate-cancer/exercise-prostate-cancer/

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@survivor5280

And that's exactly the thing to do. I also stay active. I may not have metastatic cancer but I haven't had my first post RARP PSA yet either so I feel like I'm still in limbo. Even then, as I've seen here numerous times, this thing can come back to hit you at any point and my current lucky streak may very well run out. Better to stay in shape, keep my pelvic floor healthy and hedge my bets, it costs nothing more than time and effort to do so.

Case in point: https://www.pcf.org/patient-resources/living-prostate-cancer/exercise-prostate-cancer/

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Exactly. I was paraplegic in a hospital bed for a few months after the cancer metastasised to my spine, and a day didn't go by that I wasn't grateful that I'd been in good shape going in, and that my regular weight training had left me with arms strong enough to pull myself around the bed or onto my side at night (since my legs were just hanging like slabs of meat). Also, my oncologists explicitly said that they agreed with "throwing the kitchen sink" at my cancer in 2021 because I was otherwise strong and healthy, so I could tolerate some pretty harsh side-effects (that might be part of the reason I'm still here to post about it in 2025).

You never know when it will matter, but the stronger and healthier you are going in, the better your chances.

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@northoftheborder

Exactly. I was paraplegic in a hospital bed for a few months after the cancer metastasised to my spine, and a day didn't go by that I wasn't grateful that I'd been in good shape going in, and that my regular weight training had left me with arms strong enough to pull myself around the bed or onto my side at night (since my legs were just hanging like slabs of meat). Also, my oncologists explicitly said that they agreed with "throwing the kitchen sink" at my cancer in 2021 because I was otherwise strong and healthy, so I could tolerate some pretty harsh side-effects (that might be part of the reason I'm still here to post about it in 2025).

You never know when it will matter, but the stronger and healthier you are going in, the better your chances.

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I think a healthy lifestyle is beneficial no matter what someone's circumstances are, but it for sure makes a huge difference in recovery!

When I had a cancerous kidney removed in 2014 (coincidentally it was the same surgeon, the same robot and he used the same old incisions for my prostatectomy) I did the same thing. I was already in good shape but I started crushing it a couple months before surgery and my recovery was very speedy.

This time around my recovery is slower but only due to one incision opening up on me - something I do not recommend as I have to stuff gauze deep into my gut twice a day. Every other incision is almost totally healed up and I'm mostly back to normal. I'm still obeying the weight limit for another two weeks, even though I feel like I could do it now, and hopefully this incision will heal in a few weeks, but otherwise my focus on health and fitness made this a relatively easy recovery overall.

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@heavyphil

Spot on, North - nobody EVER dies from the non-metastatic type, do they? Why would they?
So it’s always cardiovascular disease and diabetes that gets THOSE men in the end….or something else. I guess that’s where “most men die with, not from” comes from…
Another article that literally offers nothing in the way of progress; just another statement of the obvious!
Phil

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I appreciate the links from @hanscasteels and @survivor5280 as well as everyone's comments about them. While I have made significant strides in optimizing my dietary and exercise behaviors, being prompted to revisit where I am through reading through the content of these studies/links, as well as the links referenced within them, encourages me to continue to make improvements. Today's posts resulted in the treadmill's interval training program being used to the point that I break a sweat for at least 30 minutes, something I had gotten away from doing while dealing with another medical issue. Thank you all!

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@dailyeffort

I appreciate the links from @hanscasteels and @survivor5280 as well as everyone's comments about them. While I have made significant strides in optimizing my dietary and exercise behaviors, being prompted to revisit where I am through reading through the content of these studies/links, as well as the links referenced within them, encourages me to continue to make improvements. Today's posts resulted in the treadmill's interval training program being used to the point that I break a sweat for at least 30 minutes, something I had gotten away from doing while dealing with another medical issue. Thank you all!

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It's interesting how studies keep confirming the common-sense stuff that our moms told us and their moms told them: stay as active as your physical ability allows and eat a healthy, balanced diet. 🙂

People try to make health more complicated than that with fad diets (eat this! don't eat that!) and complicated fitness programmes, but it really isn't that hard.

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@northoftheborder

It's interesting how studies keep confirming the common-sense stuff that our moms told us and their moms told them: stay as active as your physical ability allows and eat a healthy, balanced diet. 🙂

People try to make health more complicated than that with fad diets (eat this! don't eat that!) and complicated fitness programmes, but it really isn't that hard.

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Yes, study after study after study…for things you learned in kindergarten.

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