Low PSA, MRI shows likely cancer

Posted by ziggydssp @ziggydssp, 5 days ago

Due to some BPH type symptoms my spouse had a digital and they found a nodule. His PSA is 1 but they still proceeded with a MRI. The MRI showed a tumor on the right side of the prostrate and inflamed lymph nodes in that area. Doc believes it’s metastatic prostrate cancer. Nervously waiting results of biopsy. Urologist says he could live for decades even if it comes back as cancer. My spouse is 62. The doc is not great about explaining how this could be cancer with such a low PSA. Have any of you encountered these circumstances?

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PSA is just an indicator and an imperfect one. You have have exceptionally high PSA and not have cancer or very Low PSA and have it. As I've heard it mentioned by others, it's a "check engine light" is all. I"m sure PSE and/or biopsy would be next steps. If it's slow growing then your doc is correct, he'll die WITH prostate cancer rather than FROM it - but you won't know that until more tests, and one of the best ones is a decipher test, which can determine the likelihood of the cancer being more aggressive and worth more attention (this after a biopsy).

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ziggydeep, some prostate cancers tumors don't produce PSA; some prostate nodules are not cancer.

The next test is usually a PET/CT That will tell you if the nodule is using a lot of sugar, which would increase the suspicion of cancer. I assume your spouse will have a biopsy no matter the PET/CT results.

The biopsy will confirm or rule/out cancer. If it is cancer, the biopsy will yield a gleason score, giving you an idea of the tumor type and a choice of watch and wait or treatment. https://www.pcf.org/about-prostate-cancer/diagnosis-staging-prostate-cancer/gleason-score-isup-grade/
The biopsy sample can be sent for somatic testing--testing of the mutations specific to this tumor.
When he has a biopsy, make the request for Decipher Testing to be sure they retrive a large enough sample.

Meanwhile, ask for a PSE serum test. It's fairly new and said to be 94% accurate. But it isn't commonly ordered.
https://www.94percent.com/
https://www.veracyte.com/decipher-prostate/
Treatment for prostate cancer has gotten so good that they tell all of us that you have to die of something else.
Best wishes

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Some people with prostate cancer do not produce much PSA at all. This has been found in about 10% of cases. One test you can do if the PSMA pet test doesn’t show up anything is that can do a FDG pet test which can find cancer that doesn’t produce PSMA.

Not producing PSA does not mean you don’t produce PSMA but they are somewhat related.

After the MRI they should’ve given you a PIRADS Score for the metastasis they found in the prostate. A score of one or two pretty much means you don’t have anything.

If you really want to find out whether or not there is cancer, before doing a biopsy, you can do a PSE test. That will give you about a 93% chance of knowing whether or not there is cancer Even though the PSA is very low.

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I had a PSA below 1. My internist did a DRE (digital exam) and found a nodule. It turned out to be an aggressive prostate cancer. I had a prostatectomy. The cancer returned 14 years later and I had 37 external beam radiation treatments. Since then, my PSA has been undetectable.

A small, but significant, percentage of men have prostate cancer which does not produce PSA. I repeatedly thank the internist who did the DRE--something many doctors do not perform and claim is unnecessary. I urge all men to get a DRE as well as a PSA. The Urologist I saw after the nodule was discovered had to be talked into doing a biopsy because he said I couldn't possibly have prostate cancer with such a low PSA.

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@gently

ziggydeep, some prostate cancers tumors don't produce PSA; some prostate nodules are not cancer.

The next test is usually a PET/CT That will tell you if the nodule is using a lot of sugar, which would increase the suspicion of cancer. I assume your spouse will have a biopsy no matter the PET/CT results.

The biopsy will confirm or rule/out cancer. If it is cancer, the biopsy will yield a gleason score, giving you an idea of the tumor type and a choice of watch and wait or treatment. https://www.pcf.org/about-prostate-cancer/diagnosis-staging-prostate-cancer/gleason-score-isup-grade/
The biopsy sample can be sent for somatic testing--testing of the mutations specific to this tumor.
When he has a biopsy, make the request for Decipher Testing to be sure they retrive a large enough sample.

Meanwhile, ask for a PSE serum test. It's fairly new and said to be 94% accurate. But it isn't commonly ordered.
https://www.94percent.com/
https://www.veracyte.com/decipher-prostate/
Treatment for prostate cancer has gotten so good that they tell all of us that you have to die of something else.
Best wishes

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An FDG PET/CT will tell if a cancer is using a lot of sugar. But, a PSMA PET scan will not - it looks for a specific antigen on the membrane of the cell.
An FDG PET/CT is not often used as an initial indicator for prostate cancer (unless the prostate cancer is in an advanced stage).
FDG PET/CT is regularly used for brain cancer (& some others) because those do thrive on glucose; prostate cancers are more affected by testosterone.

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@brianjarvis

An FDG PET/CT will tell if a cancer is using a lot of sugar. But, a PSMA PET scan will not - it looks for a specific antigen on the membrane of the cell.
An FDG PET/CT is not often used as an initial indicator for prostate cancer (unless the prostate cancer is in an advanced stage).
FDG PET/CT is regularly used for brain cancer (& some others) because those do thrive on glucose; prostate cancers are more affected by testosterone.

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Agreed. I trust that the urologist understands the need to for FDG given the absense of a PSA indicator. PSMA/PET always includes FDG at UCLA.

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@gently

Agreed. I trust that the urologist understands the need to for FDG given the absense of a PSA indicator. PSMA/PET always includes FDG at UCLA.

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Yes, when prostate cancers produce PSMA, then PSMA PET scans soundly out-perform older scans (like F18-Fluciclovine, C11 Choline, F18-NaF, and F18-FDG).
But, in those few instances when prostate cancers produce no PSMA (or too little to be detected), then any of those other scans are very useful.

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@ziggydssp Yes as others have noted you certainly can have cancer with a low PSA and none with a high PSA
Did you know a PSA can be in the thouusands . The highest recorded was over 20,000 -- Yes twenty thousand .
My advice if you have not already purchased Dr. Patrict Walsh's book " Guide to Surviving Prostate Cancer " to educate youurself -- Money well spent .
GET A 2nd OR EVEN A 3rd OPINION OF YOUR BIOPSY RESULTS .
Your treatment options are guided by an accurate Gleason Score .
Also Google : MRI PI - RADS Score and what they mean . Your MRI will show RADS 1, 2 ,3 , 4 or 5
Rads 1, 2 & 3 have a low chance of you having cancer -- but not a ZERO chance . Rads 4 & 5 you have high risk 75 % to 90 % chance they will find cancer on a Biopsy . Only the Biopsy will tell and the grade .
Good luck .
p.s. Don't be rushed into a treatment decision and choose one you may regret the rest of your life . You have time - months or more to make a decision.

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The biopsy results came back showing cancer and Gleason score is 9. My spouse is the one with cancer. Terribly worried but understand many folks live decades with treatment. Next step is Petscan and appt with new urologist that specializes in prostrate cancer and appt with oncologist. Will appreciate any encouraging words..

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@brownsf

I had a PSA below 1. My internist did a DRE (digital exam) and found a nodule. It turned out to be an aggressive prostate cancer. I had a prostatectomy. The cancer returned 14 years later and I had 37 external beam radiation treatments. Since then, my PSA has been undetectable.

A small, but significant, percentage of men have prostate cancer which does not produce PSA. I repeatedly thank the internist who did the DRE--something many doctors do not perform and claim is unnecessary. I urge all men to get a DRE as well as a PSA. The Urologist I saw after the nodule was discovered had to be talked into doing a biopsy because he said I couldn't possibly have prostate cancer with such a low PSA.

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It’s encouraging that you had similar circumstance and are still going strong. Biopsy for my spouse came back as cancer with Gleason score of 9. Still treatable and hopefully they can put it into remission soon.

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