44-yr-old prostate cancer patient seeking advice, thoughts, etc.

Posted by mayolink @mayolink, 3 days ago

Hello all,

I’ve just been thrown into this scary world recently. I wanted to share my story and see what advice, wisdom, anecdotes, thoughts, etc. you all might have.

The Basics:
44 years old living in Salt Lake City.
Diagnosed with prostate cancer November 26, 2024.
Fairly large tumor (1.7 x 2.1 cm) in the anterior right transition zone.
Slight bulging of the prostate margin anteriorly, indicating extra capsular abutment or extension (my nomograms indicate a 66% chance of prostate-confined disease)
Gleason 7 (3+4) = Grade Group 2
Total percentage of pattern 4: 10%
PSMA PET Scan: no sign of metastatic spread and no sign of lymph node involvement.
PSA: 4.8
Free PSA: 0.3
PSA, Percent Free: 6%
Decipher score: 0.15 (low risk)
No other genetic abnormalities found (like BRCA1, BRCA2, or other predispositions to cancer

I’m currently scheduled for surgery on March 4. However, I’m still exploring all options and seeking multiple opinions.

Background:
I’m frustrated with the journey I’ve been on. In 2019, I had an acute prostate infection. I was treated with antibiotics and the infection cleared up. However, troubling urinary symptoms remained. These were primarily weak urine stream, urgency, and other minor symptoms similar to what someone with chronic pelvic plain syndrome would experience.

My doctor referred me to a urologist. At first, he suspected the infection never went away completely. I did another round of antibiotics. My symptoms ebbed and flowed over two years. My urologist eventually began to suspect cancer because of my symptoms and my slightly elevated PSA level. I had a transperineal prostate biopsy in September 2021. EVERYTHING CAME BACK BENIGN. I was enormously relieved. Around the same time, I moved to Utah.

It took me a while to establish care with a new urologist. He believed I had lingering inflammation from prostatitis and that I should try pelvic floor physical therapy. I gave that a try, but life gets in the way and I just sort of put up with my main symptoms of weak urinary stream and urgency. I went back a year later and he had a completely different diagnosis. He said I had an enlarged prostate. My prostate is slightly enlarged for someone my age, but not overly large. It measures 35cc.

I wasn’t happy with his change in diagnoses, so I found another urologist at the University of Utah. He and and a colleague first wondered if I was having trouble with mast cells and auto immune issues. I seemed to fit the profile of a man with chronic non-bacterial prostatitis. We tried some medications and tests. Finally, in October of 2024, I got a mpMRI 3T. It showed a PI-RADS 5 lesion. A month later, I received an MRI-guided targeted biopsy. That’s when cancer was confirmed.

I should note, there are also extensive calcifications and evidence of chronic prostatitis elsewhere in the gland. I have both cancer and prostatitis. It’s unclear if it’s the cancer or the prostatitis (or both) causing my main urinary issues like weak stream.

It’s been a whirlwind. From being investigated for possible cancer and being found clean…to suddenly having a fairly large tumor three years later.

I do have a family history. My dad, and two of his brothers, had it. Two were diagnosed in their 70s. One was diagnosed in his 50s. All are still alive and it doesn’t seem prostate cancer will be what kills them.

I’m more calm now than I was when my MRI first indicated a high chance of cancer. My PSMA PET scan calmed me a lot. But I’m still worried about the potential for slight extraprostatic spread, as indicated by the bulge.

I do trust the team at Huntsman Cancer Institute, where I’m being treated. My surgeon is Dr. Christopher Dechet. He is, understandably, wanting me to do surgery. I met with the radiology urologic oncologists as well. They also think surgery is a better option for me. They cite my age, and the fact that I already have urinary issues, as a reason to avoid radiation. They believe I could be severely affected by radiology-linked urinary problems if I went that route.

I traveled to the Mayo Clinic last week for some other opinions. A surgeon gave me some assurances about my Utah surgeon saying, “if you do surgery, you don’t need me and you don’t need to come here. I know your Utah surgeon. We studied together and he’s very gifted. You’re in good hands.”

I also met with a focal therapy specialist. He said the only focal therapy he would recommend for me is cryotherapy. He said some of the reviews for cryotherapy are mixed and he wanted to make sure I understood that they do MRI-guided cryotherapy at Mayo, which is much, much better than other kinds. However, he also said I’m not an “ideal” candidate. But I’m not a “bad” one either. He just thinks there’s more of a chance of prostate cancer becoming a “chronic condition” for me given my age. He is presenting my case to the Mayo tumor board to see what colleagues say. I haven’t heard back yet.

I’m also traveling to UCLA Health in early February for additional opinions.

Like nearly all guys, I want the best chance of curing the cancer and preserving sexual function. I like my sex life. It’s robust. The possibilities fill me with dread.

That’s my story. Feel free to ask questions or let me know what you think.

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Wow. You've been through the wars.

Mine was similar.. Gleeson 4+3, PIRADS4, 1cm lesion. MRI-guided biopsy confirmed cancer.
60 years old

Just get it out. Especially with a family history, tinkering with treatment will only embolden the cancer as it laughs at you.
The recovery is absolutely no fun, but probably worth it.

My 2 cents.

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mayolink, check out MRI guided radiation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWCqAQ2SEn0. Try to get a consultation with Amar Kishan. Best wishes.

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If your medical team shares your concern about the risk of local spread, you could discuss "salvage" radiation after your prostatectomy. Unlike surgery, radiation spreads a bit and treats the surrounding area as well (unfortunately, it can damage healthy surrounding tissue as well as cancer, but the healthy tissue usually recovers).

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It's also important to note that if you have African or Caribbean ancestry, as I understand it you're at higher risk of early/aggressive prostate cancer. That's why Black men need to start PSA screening at a younger age and treat any cancer they might find more aggressively.

Unfortunately, some medical practitioners just treat all prostate cancer patients the same (the same thing happens with diabetes and other conditions where ancestry makes a difference).

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I'm 71 and had NS RARP at Mayo Phoenix in 06/2024. As far as surgery goes, I'm fully recovered from my surgery with my urination actually better than before without my enlarged prostate. I do have some ED, but I'm also slowly recovering and I am able to have intercourse with my wife (but just barely). But I'm also optimistic that it'll continue to improve. If you haven't already done so I'd suggest discussing your specific case outlook for incontinence and ED with your surgeon. When I had that discussion with my surgeon, the odds he gave me were way better than I expected. Plus with surgery you do get the benefit of the prostate and other tissue pathology. That said, I'm no medical professional and I certainly don't know what's best for you. You asked for our thoughts, so I guess my primary thought is that considering the high quality of places you're going I think if it was me I'd listen to the experts reviewing your specific case and I'd hesitate to second guess them. Since you went to Huntsman and Mayo you're undoubtably getting state of the art medical advice. It'll be interesting to see what the Mayo tumor board and UCLA recommends. But in the end, you have to pick whichever option you can be at peace with. Best wishes.

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Hey @mayolink
I'm pretty much at where @retiredguy is at this point.
I've posted this in other places but I'll repost here.
The advice given to me was that by having the RP first, if you need a backup plan you can go right to salvage radiation therapy, which I ended up having to do.
If you start with radiation, then try to do the surgery, it's considerably more complicated.
Of course, this just compares these two and discounts the focals, but, if you're not a great candidate for those, these may be your two main options.
Best of Luck to you!

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Hey Mayolink, it’s usually a real toss up between surgery and radiation (of many kinds). But it is rare to hear radiation oncologists advise someone to do surgery - that’s a big red flag for me.
If the people who do radiation tell you NOT to do it, perhaps surgery is your best option, even with all its potential side-effects.
Also, as has been mentioned, getting diagnosed at such a young age gives you many more years of surviving - but also the potential for recurrence which requires radiation.

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@heavyphil

Hey Mayolink, it’s usually a real toss up between surgery and radiation (of many kinds). But it is rare to hear radiation oncologists advise someone to do surgery - that’s a big red flag for me.
If the people who do radiation tell you NOT to do it, perhaps surgery is your best option, even with all its potential side-effects.
Also, as has been mentioned, getting diagnosed at such a young age gives you many more years of surviving - but also the potential for recurrence which requires radiation.

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heavyphil, the problem is that when getting an in-house second opinion or even a same-city second, the doctors often show more courtesy to the prior opinion than to the patient.

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@gently

mayolink, check out MRI guided radiation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWCqAQ2SEn0. Try to get a consultation with Amar Kishan. Best wishes.

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Amar Kishan treated my prostate cancer with SBRT 5 sessions April 2024. If you go to UCLA consult with Urologist who does Robotic surgery and Amar Kishan. Just because you are younger doesn't mean Surgery is the best option in your case and what quality of life you want after the treatment.
You are doing the right thing for not rushing into a treatment! You have time.

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If you are a candidate for cryotherapy maybe you are a candidate for TULSA PRO. It is much less invasive than many other treatments. When I had my TULSA treatment the Dr. showed me the pre-treatment MRI which showed a small bright spot in my prostate. He told me it was calcium and that TULSA didn't like calcium. He was able to treat my cancer cores going around the calcium spot. If you have a lot of calcium buildup TULSA may not be possible. At your age I would want to protect my sexual ability also.

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