biopsy for small nerve fiber

Posted by jan64 @jan64, Sep 19 5:29pm

I was referred by rheumatologist to a doctor at a pain clinic for small nerve muscle biopsy. When I finally got the call from them to make the appointment, I was told I would have the biopsy. When I got there today, I was told by the PA that they would have to check the insurance first, order a "Kit" and go from there. She then asked where I wanted to have my injection. I said I just wanted the biopsy to determine what type of PN I have. She said it didn't matter, the treatments are all the same. I live in PA. I just scheduled with a CRNP (got a cancellation) in
Pittsburgh in the building with top neurologists . I am hoping she can make referrals and schedule the biopsy. I have had so many disappointments trying to figure out why I went from very fit and healthy to being on fire almost everywhere in 8 weeks. I had telemedicine appointment and a 30 minute in person appointment with neurologists. No answers. On 1800 mg gabapentin which I think is helping. I sure don't want to test whether it is or not! I am still not functioning at even 50% of where I was in July. I've posted before; I have had MRI and lots of blood work. X-rays show arthritis, but I never had much pain before all this started. I am limited to UPMC network, so hoping someone can recommend neurologists in Pittsburgh.

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Neuropathy Support Group.

@amkie

Hi - I am still searching for factors that may have come together to cause what has happened to me. This is a complex and long story. I have had very appropriate care from my Internist to primary neurologist, extensive testing, and referrals to tertiary care specialists. 2nd opinions on back issues etc. I will try to list major timeline elements.
Some minor changes in gait and some unexplained falls occurring as far back as 2016-17. Neuro workup and imaging at that time late 2017.
2018 -Spinal stenosis dx with L3,4,5 spinal fusion. Complete recovery. Full activity.
2019 -L total knee replacement. Excellent recovery. Very active.
2021 -Torn left hamstring with surgical repair. Very good recovery.
2022 February - Traumatic fall. Pain initially but lessening with time and mobility increasing steadily. Did not seek medical care at that time as basically was doing pretty well.
In the fall of 22 Increasing concern about gait becoming more abnormal again and experiencing increasing back pain.
Dec 2nd of 2022 -Spine film showed fx of L1 subsequently had Kyphoplasty by neurosurgeon.
December 15th 2022 - I had my 1st episode of loss of balance. Single episode, Not dizziness or fainting or spinning sensation but actual loss of balance while standing.
2023 Early spring - gait abnormality continues to be concerning by me and my family. Referred to PT for balance improvement. Had EMG etc with only slight changes noted. Had to stop PT after a couple weeks as back pain was getting much worse.
More films etc. I have significant issues throughout my entire spine- degenerative changes, spondylolisthesis and stenosis. I also have significant osteoarthritis in many joints throughout my body.
March 2023 - Neurosurgeon felt the bundle of symptoms at this time is related to lower spine following my fusion from 2018. "Straight back syndrome". Plan was to do major spine surgery to correct that whole area.
Mid March 23 - Waiting to get on surgery schedule.
Late March - over very few days my symptoms became much worse. Balance is so bad that I had to get a walker just to get around my home. Then suddenly within days I lost some sensation in both feet, then unable to wiggle my toes of either foot or lift either forefoot. Loss of sensation became worse. Only lower extremities are involved. Paresthesia in my feet and up my legs also. All symptoms were on the lateral side of ankles and legs.
March 31st 2023 Saw my neurosurgeon and my primary neurologist regarding how I was scared because I was drastically losing function. They watched me try to walk. Repeated EMG and sensory testing showed major change from what it was 10 or so days before. "Demyelinating Neuropathy".
March 31st -Hospitalized for GBS treatment - 5 days of IVIG, spinal tap, etc.
April 5th - Discharged using walker 99% of the time because of poor balance combined with bilateral footdrop. Started outpatient rehab.
April 23 through Sept 24 - Various tertiary referrals and extensive laboratory testing in attempt to get definitive diagnosis. Almost all testing was normal. Ataxia screen resulted in a positive for my being a carrier of a pathologic recessive gene called POL G (mitochondrial disorder) that can rarely cause ataxia in an older population when usually this is expressed neonatally or very early childhood.
I had a L Sural nerve biopsy.
I am continuing rehab including aquatic therapy. Now using one prong cane and flexible OFA on left foot only. Early on, I wore rigid OFAs on both feet. I use walking sticks for outdoors and irregular surfaces. Walker is getting dusty in the corner. There are ups and downs but the general trendline is improvement over 17 months. Still improving.
Getting IVIG every month now as a trial since April of 24. Also have had a couple steroid trials in the past.
Potential for trying the new FDA approved drug for CIDP. Vyvgart or Vyvgart Hytrulo later this year.
So still wondering what all is involved here. Cerebellar issue? Parkinson variation? Spinal issue? CIDP?
Thanks for your interest and comments.
Ann

Jump to this post

It sounds like you are very close to a diagnosis with all your positive results. At least you know that there is a reason, or reasons for your situation. It just hasn’t all been pulled together into a single diagnosis. With all of your test results, you could get a referral to the best teaching facility where all it takes is one good doctor who has seen this exact presentation and knows what it is. (I’m close to UAB, so go there). I don’t have that diagnosis, and I’m starting to accept what I’ve been told by several of my medical team group - at this point, knowing exactly what it is won’t change the treatment. I don’t like that statement, but might have to accept it. You have a recessive gene identified. That’s huge. Research more about that, and see if a group somewhere is doing more research on that. My genetic testing was normal, except for one small blip that was deemed insignificant. But the lab that did it told me to check back every few years, as new genomes are always being identified. That’s important, because my sister has the same symptoms as me.
My symptoms started 9 years ago. Get ready for a slow as molasses journey into finding your diagnosis!

REPLY
@julbpat

It sounds like you are very close to a diagnosis with all your positive results. At least you know that there is a reason, or reasons for your situation. It just hasn’t all been pulled together into a single diagnosis. With all of your test results, you could get a referral to the best teaching facility where all it takes is one good doctor who has seen this exact presentation and knows what it is. (I’m close to UAB, so go there). I don’t have that diagnosis, and I’m starting to accept what I’ve been told by several of my medical team group - at this point, knowing exactly what it is won’t change the treatment. I don’t like that statement, but might have to accept it. You have a recessive gene identified. That’s huge. Research more about that, and see if a group somewhere is doing more research on that. My genetic testing was normal, except for one small blip that was deemed insignificant. But the lab that did it told me to check back every few years, as new genomes are always being identified. That’s important, because my sister has the same symptoms as me.
My symptoms started 9 years ago. Get ready for a slow as molasses journey into finding your diagnosis!

Jump to this post

Thank you so much for replying with your positive but also realistic message. I would love to go to Mayo or University of MN. Mayo does not accept any out of network Medicare Advantage plans at least in 2023when I was looking at going there. If you are too young for Medicare, remember that about Advantage plans which are not good when a serious potentially long term illness comes about. I cannot change to a gap plan or other choices. Only choice is another Advantage plan or traditional Medicare which is then hat I am responsible for 20% of all Medicare allowable charges. We are reviewing option now for next year. Some places have a hold on accepting anymore neuro patients. At least my Advantage plan is a PPO and is a very large one.
Warmest regards to you and your sister.

REPLY
@amkie

Thank you so much for replying with your positive but also realistic message. I would love to go to Mayo or University of MN. Mayo does not accept any out of network Medicare Advantage plans at least in 2023when I was looking at going there. If you are too young for Medicare, remember that about Advantage plans which are not good when a serious potentially long term illness comes about. I cannot change to a gap plan or other choices. Only choice is another Advantage plan or traditional Medicare which is then hat I am responsible for 20% of all Medicare allowable charges. We are reviewing option now for next year. Some places have a hold on accepting anymore neuro patients. At least my Advantage plan is a PPO and is a very large one.
Warmest regards to you and your sister.

Jump to this post

I am on Medicare, with an Advantage plan. I never considered things like Mayo when I chose it. Good to know. When I first got my “mystery “ illness 9 years ago, it was being approached as a rheumatological illness. Although I live near two respectable centers, Vanderbilt and UAB, I wanted desperately to see the very best. Mayo was not taking any more rheumatology patients. I ended up at Cleveland Clinic, where I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia - maybe correctly, but not my primary diagnosis, which is length-dependent small fiber polyneuropathy. I’ve learned that all it takes is one good doctor at a respected institution who is perceptive and experienced. I just got lucky really at UAB.

REPLY

I know what you mean. I am happy that you found that doctor! There is a crisis in Medical Care and it is really getting a head of steam. Government regulations, profits for insurances companies, among other things, are all squeezing doctors and making taking great care of patients harder and harder.

REPLY
@amkie

Thank you Ray. I had read posts from you in the past regarding neuropathy
and sepsis. Quite the trial you are dealing with. 🫂
My biggest problem is balance or lack there of. It never is not a big
problem for me. I have used many tactics you mentioned and practice
prescribed excercises virtual every couple waking hours. My second biggest
problem is paresthesia in both my feet. Worse on L and up my entire left
leg to the middle of my body. Not pain exactly but burny and skin feels raw
- definitely worse in evening and very hard to ignore. Have tried
duclofenac tabs, ibuprofen and gable and Lyrica. Ibuprofen works as well
with less side effects. Cold packs to worst areas(at tge time) works pretty
good for me. My husband massages my feet and legs literally every night.
3rd biggest problem is worsening tremors of both hands. Betablocker seems
only thing that lessens the tremors, but it lowers my heart rate too much.
I usually only take it in a reduced dose (1/4) for when I'm going to be out
and about. These are not resting tremors, but rather action related. Very,
very annoying.
4th biggest problem is residual partial footdrop in my L foot. Combined
with my balance issue, it is completely nerve-wracking. LOL.
Other then those things, I'm great. I have good vision, hearing, I can
drive, I can walk steps again, and I have good strength in every other part
of my body. So I count my blessings but still totally miss things I can no
longer do. I try not to focus on those.Thanks for letting me process in
concrete language.
Warmest regards,
Ann

Jump to this post

Hi, @amkie ! Have you tried using a foot brace to help with your drop foot and balance. If you check on Amazon, you can find some for less than $35/each... made of polystyrene, so they are very light. And the nice thing about Amazon is that if they don't work for you, you can easily return them. AFO foot brace has helped me a great deal with balance. Might be worth a try if you have not already. The brand I tried from Amazon were "Swiss," though they were probably made in China. 🙂 Search for AFO foot brace for drop foot. It's amazing how much these help with balance. Best wishes! Mike

REPLY

I was on gabapentin for a long time I then switched to Lyrica which has been very good but mainly for the pain . My numbness and pins a needles are very bad in my left leg and both feet .

REPLY
@domiha

Hi, @amkie ! Have you tried using a foot brace to help with your drop foot and balance. If you check on Amazon, you can find some for less than $35/each... made of polystyrene, so they are very light. And the nice thing about Amazon is that if they don't work for you, you can easily return them. AFO foot brace has helped me a great deal with balance. Might be worth a try if you have not already. The brand I tried from Amazon were "Swiss," though they were probably made in China. 🙂 Search for AFO foot brace for drop foot. It's amazing how much these help with balance. Best wishes! Mike

Jump to this post

Try cadense adaptive shoes.
They help you walk .

REPLY
@julbpat

It sounds like you are very close to a diagnosis with all your positive results. At least you know that there is a reason, or reasons for your situation. It just hasn’t all been pulled together into a single diagnosis. With all of your test results, you could get a referral to the best teaching facility where all it takes is one good doctor who has seen this exact presentation and knows what it is. (I’m close to UAB, so go there). I don’t have that diagnosis, and I’m starting to accept what I’ve been told by several of my medical team group - at this point, knowing exactly what it is won’t change the treatment. I don’t like that statement, but might have to accept it. You have a recessive gene identified. That’s huge. Research more about that, and see if a group somewhere is doing more research on that. My genetic testing was normal, except for one small blip that was deemed insignificant. But the lab that did it told me to check back every few years, as new genomes are always being identified. That’s important, because my sister has the same symptoms as me.
My symptoms started 9 years ago. Get ready for a slow as molasses journey into finding your diagnosis!

Jump to this post

Stop beating the bushes around-go straight to the horse mouth-which is a podiatrist...they do skin biopsy test to determine SFN. With the results from podiatrist ...find a clinic who's treating neuropathy using Sanexas machine-a bio generative electrical impulses.
This treatement is approved by FDA but not covered by Medicare ins.
It cured me in just two month-total 16 sessions.

REPLY
Please sign in or register to post a reply.