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I was more pro ADT until I really did a deep dive into it. There are multiple studies for Gleason 3+4 with slow PSA DT and favorable post surgical pathology, it has no significant effect on PCSM (Prostate Cancer Specific Mortality).

However I may fork out for a ArteraAI genomic test. It's newer and gives better data than Decipher. My Radiologist at UCLA actually said if I could afford it, it would be additional data to make a more informed decision. The results could tip the scale on my posture on ADT. With Orovyx it bring T down much more quickly than the other drugs and T comes back more quickly. I heard lots of exercise and some supplements can help a little with reducing side effects and even some do a low dose estradiol patch if SEs are very bad - it can vary from person to person. Still, if statistically there's no significant benefit for MY particular situation, I'd rather "save that bullet" should salvage fail and not give the cancer a jump start on the eventual progression to being androgen insensitive. Here's just a couple of the many studies that confirm ADT has ot long-term benefit when not having high risk pathology and doing salvage at very low PSA level.

Meta analysis of several studies, concluding it's beneficial only with high risk factors and when being treated a higher PSA levels (they probably had persistent PSA).
https://www.frontierspartnerships.org/journals/oncology-reviews/articles/10.3389/or.2023.10676/full
"A subgroup analyses revealed that the greatest benefit from the addition of ADT was observed in patients with pre-SRT PSA levels >0.7 ng/mL, GS 8–10, and PSM [16]. The French GETUG-AFU 16 trial compared the effect of the addition of short-term ADT with gosereline for 6 months to the SRT therapy (66 Gy) in 743 patients with high-risk factors for relapse and pre-SRT PSA of 0.2–2 ng/mL after RP. In that study, no statistically significant benefit for overall survival was demonstrated"
https://www.redjournal.org/article/S0360-3016(18)31032-0/pdf
"One of the most notable findings from RTOG 9601 was
that pre-SRT PSA was not only prognostic, it was predictive
of benefit from hormone therapy. The interaction test was
significant, which means that patients with lower pre-SRT
PSA are less likely to intrinsically benefit from hormone
therapy, in both a lower absolute benefit (decreased overall
survival by 4.1% from adding bicalutamide for pre-SRT
PSA of < 0.7 vs 24.6% overall survival improvement
from adding bicalutamide when PSA >1.5 ng/mL) and in a
relative sense as well (hazard ratio of 1.13 vs 0.45 for PSA
< 0.7 vs >1.5 ng/mL, respectively). This is in contrast to
other adverse features, such as higher Gleason score, which
did not predict which men will benefit most from the
addition of hormone therapy.
Similarly, GETUG-AFU-16, a trial predominately of
patients receiving early SRT, failed to show an improve
ment in development of metastasis or overall survival and
has thus not shown clinically meaningful benefit for these
patients from the addition of 6 months of a gonadotropin
releasing hormone (GnRH) agonist (2, 5). "

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I’ve read these studies and, in fact, 2 Docs I consulted with said NO hormones if less than .7, which my .18 was.
However, my surgeon - a superstar in the field, on TV and used by the ‘bigshots’ failed to remove an adequate number of lymph nodes. He only did the first and closest one (the ‘bullseye’?) on each side. It was negative but far from to 6-9 on each side most recommend.
Ergo my RO team is taking no chances in attacking whatever is left. Also, the PSA velocity was increasing over time so something was gaining strength, right?
One thing I’ve learned on my road and in my reading is that this disease is totally unpredictable - you can bank on nothing and NEVER, EVER rest easy!