Stage 4 Prostate Cancer and Hormone Therapy quit working

Posted by cal77 @cal77, Oct 28 12:48pm

My husband is at Stage 4 for one and a half years now...The hormone therapy (Apalutamide and Erleada) seems to have quit working. For the past 8 months, his PSA keeps climbing. It's up to 12 now..
We're scared. Anyone else got to this point? How are you doing when the hormone therapy isn't working anymore.

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@northoftheborder

I'm sorry to hear that. My cancer team told me that if/when my ADT+Erleada stops working, there are "lots more" things to do these days — those are just the start of the treatment journey, not the end.

If you're doing your own searching, the keywords you want are "metastatic castrate-resistant prostate cancer" (or "mCRPC") — those will give you the most-relevant results.

I assume he's already had radiation to his prostate, but if not, that's one option. If he has only a few metastases ("oligometastatic"), then they can zap them as well; otherwise, there are treatments like Pluvicto for mCRPC that he can take in liquid form to deliver radiation to lots of small metastases internally. Then, of course, there's chemotherapy, PARP-targetting drugs, and probably lots of other treatments I can't think of right now.

I'm looking forward to reading what others post, because this may be in my future as well if/when my stage 4 prostate cancer becomes castrate-resistant.

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Yes, but also a bit on the technical side. Unless you have a background in bioresearch, probably better to choose links that summarise the research for a general audience. You could try feeding the article into ChatGPT and asking for a summary, but be prepared for 1/4 to 1/3 of the things it says to be B.S. or otherwise completely wrong (that's my experience, anyway).

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@proftom2

I was in the Responsive Zone for 2+ years. I am now in the Resistant Zone, started up Oct 23, so I've been in the Resistant Zone for slightly over a year. Both my oncologist aren't worried. We did a PSMA Pet Scan last month, I went from a zillion glowing spots to 9 spots so that's good. I feel great. My local oncologist referred me to radiation to radiate a couple of spine spots. Follow your bliss and may the force be with you.

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To proftom2
I have the same zillion spots. After 6 rounds of chemo and on Lupron, the second PET scan show my spots are the same. How long did it take for your spots to disappear?

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Oldfords, First 3 CT scans revealed a zillion spots, that was the first 6 months of treatment. 2 Years after another CT scan the spots/clouds lessoned by half. Two months ago, my PSMA Pet Scan reveal 9 spots. Radiation Oncologist is going radiate 3 spots year in the next few weeks. I am now 3 years, 11 months on this journey. Hope this helps.

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I’m very sorry to hear this. I’ve had much success with Enzalutimide and Firmagon mind you I believe my diet (Mediterranean) and the addition of naturopathic supplements are helping as well. Specifically, I take Pomi -T, Cucurmin, Quecetin, Super K and Vitamin D. My thinking is the supplements may boost the effectiveness of the Enzalutimide which apparently treats three types of PC whereas Apalutimide treats only two or so I was told. Just thought I would pass this along. Best wishes.

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@scaramouche

I’m very sorry to hear this. I’ve had much success with Enzalutimide and Firmagon mind you I believe my diet (Mediterranean) and the addition of naturopathic supplements are helping as well. Specifically, I take Pomi -T, Cucurmin, Quecetin, Super K and Vitamin D. My thinking is the supplements may boost the effectiveness of the Enzalutimide which apparently treats three types of PC whereas Apalutimide treats only two or so I was told. Just thought I would pass this along. Best wishes.

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"Enzalutimide which apparently treats three types of PC whereas Apalutimide treats only two"

Thanks for sharing that. It's true, but it matters only if you have metastatic castrate-resistant prostate cancer (mCRPC), which is the one that Enzalutamide is approved for but Apalutamide is not.

Otherwise, if you have non-metastatic castrate-resistant prostate cancer (nmCRPC) or metastatic castrate-sensitive prostate cancer (mCSPC), you can take either (neither is approved for nmCSPC yet, as far as I know).

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@northoftheborder

"Enzalutimide which apparently treats three types of PC whereas Apalutimide treats only two"

Thanks for sharing that. It's true, but it matters only if you have metastatic castrate-resistant prostate cancer (mCRPC), which is the one that Enzalutamide is approved for but Apalutamide is not.

Otherwise, if you have non-metastatic castrate-resistant prostate cancer (nmCRPC) or metastatic castrate-sensitive prostate cancer (mCSPC), you can take either (neither is approved for nmCSPC yet, as far as I know).

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Hi there
I assumed the issuer of the post had mCRPC - yes/no? Just trying to help if this is the case. Also wanted to pass along diet and supplement routine for the same reason.
Best wishes

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@scaramouche

Hi there
I assumed the issuer of the post had mCRPC - yes/no? Just trying to help if this is the case. Also wanted to pass along diet and supplement routine for the same reason.
Best wishes

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Not sure. Just adding to your post that supporting 2 vs 3 types wouldn't make a big difference, because either you can or can't take any a -lutamides for the particular cancer phase you're in (supporting other types brings you no benefit). Absolutely right that if the poster has mCRPC, then Apalutamide isn't approved yet for their situation.

Cheers!

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@proftom2

Oldfords, First 3 CT scans revealed a zillion spots, that was the first 6 months of treatment. 2 Years after another CT scan the spots/clouds lessoned by half. Two months ago, my PSMA Pet Scan reveal 9 spots. Radiation Oncologist is going radiate 3 spots year in the next few weeks. I am now 3 years, 11 months on this journey. Hope this helps.

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Thanks It does give me hope that mine will begin to disappear also.

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@northoftheborder

"Enzalutimide which apparently treats three types of PC whereas Apalutimide treats only two"

Thanks for sharing that. It's true, but it matters only if you have metastatic castrate-resistant prostate cancer (mCRPC), which is the one that Enzalutamide is approved for but Apalutamide is not.

Otherwise, if you have non-metastatic castrate-resistant prostate cancer (nmCRPC) or metastatic castrate-sensitive prostate cancer (mCSPC), you can take either (neither is approved for nmCSPC yet, as far as I know).

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Darolutamide is the one to use. As the least side effects of all three, if you look at studies, we see that if fewer people drop Darolutamide than the other lutamides because of side effects. It has also been approved for mCSPS and mCRPC.

After 2.5 years on Zytiga I was undetectable for one month. With Darolutamide i’ve been undetectable for the last 11 months.

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