Dry Orgasm after surgery: Does it get better with time?

Posted by bdc1677 @bdc1677, Oct 24 10:29am

So, I asked about sex before I had the surgery and I didnt get a good answer on dry orgasm.

Two weeks after the catheter came out my wife and I decided to have sex... erection between 80% and 90%.

My best analogy for my first experience for dry orgasm, if I was shooting a .357 before surgery I was expecting a .22 and hoping for a .38. I got a BB gun. So a little frustrating. No real build-up. Wasn't sure if what I was feeling was an orgasm, then it was over FAST.

I hope this gets better over time. But can't find anything that discusses this process.

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@chipe

I was on finasteride for a couple of years before RALP which causes dry orgasms as well as ED. I could get 80% at best, but not enough for penetration.

Monday will be 6 weeks post-RALP. I haven't even begun to think about an erection. I lost one side of the nerves since they had cancer involvement, so the doc said getting an erection will be difficult. He has not discussed any other methods with me although he does have a viagra prescription in for me. I haven't filled it yet.

Question: what kind of pump/band is recommended? Thanks.

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@spino

Yes, finding discussion on this topic is difficult. Anecdotes aside, even the most authoritative treatments seem mostly...anecdotal :-). So I'll spare you mine :-).
Here are things I think I know at this point:
1) Orgasms happen in the brain, not in the erection.
2) Trauma is a big deterrent to orgasm, and perhaps surgery is more traumatic than radiation, but maybe catheters are more traumatic than surgeries? I guess only the first of these three is something I actually know or think I know.
3) Erections have a lot to do with blood flow, valves, and nerves. PC treatments all affect blood flow and nerves, somewhat unpredictably. Valves deteriorate with age.
4) Surgery is especially traumatic to the nerves, but there is often some recovery over time, maybe up to two years or even longer.
5) Radiation is progressive, so initial experience after radiation does not tell the whole story of the ultimate level of damage.
6) The brain can be retrained. (See 1.)
7) Erections can be preserved or strenthened via increased blood flow, either muscle tensioning or vacuum erection (mechanical) or sildenafil/taladafil/etc. (changes nitrous oxide levels, I think) or trimix etc. (chemically triggered erections.
8) Surgeons ultimately promote penile implants even if they are ostensibly educating about other strategies. Boston Scientific sponsors education because they are the biggest supplier of penile implants in the US.
9) Yes, it's true. Post prostatectomy erections are always dry because the tubes carrying seminal fluid have been severed.
[Feel free to disagree with any or all of these things I think I know, and I'd love to hear why.]

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The tubes carrying the ejaculate are severed, but the ejaculate is made up of fluid from the seminal vesicles (65-75%), prostate (25-30%) and sperm from the testicles (1-5%. Since the prostate and seminal vesicles are removed at surgery, even if the "tubes" were intact there would only be a slight dribble.

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My “dry” orgasms with a half erect penis are more intense and last longer than before. Two days ago I had the best orgasm of my life. Hang in there! Experiment!
It gets better over time. I will be having IPP and AUS surgery very soon and am excited about having full erections and no pee leakage.

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@jeffmarc

After surgery, you will have dry orgasms. There is no reason they shouldn’t be just as intense as before surgery. it may just take a while for you to be adjusted to the new situation and then intensity will come back

If you are on any ADT drugs, they can interfere with the intensity, even the ability to reach climax.

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Well, Jeff, here you go again.

You wrote. “There is no reason they shouldn’t be just as intense as before surgery. it may just take a while for you to be adjusted to the new situation and then intensity will come back“

You’re not a doctor. You’re a cancer patient like the rest of us and to make matters worse you have no first-hand experience with recovery from surgery because you chose radiation.

Your comments aren’t constructive and helpful to those of us on this form who chose surgery and are struggling to get quality of life back.

I want to believe that your heart is in the right place, so if you want to help other men in this community, don’t tell other cancer patients who chose surgery what to expect. You can relate your experience and personal struggles any day of the week, but for the rest of it, let it go.

Do the right thing and good luck on your journey with prostate cancer.

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Congratulations on having an erection that is 80 to 90% of what you had prior to surgery. If you told me that in person I would high five you. There’s a lot of reason to hope that you’re going to have a full recovery of sexual function.

There are a number of us on the forum that have not had the same good fortune to have return of natural erections but we’re all rooting for you.

I can’t speak medically to your issue, but I can tell you that I had a similar experience initially. My first erection post surgery and before I started ADT was about 70 to 75% and I felt like a stallion. Unfortunately, I recall my first orgasm post surgery was almost nonexistent. I remember commenting to my wife when I first experienced that and we were both shocked, looked at each other and said “now what?”

From my own experience, nine months after surgery things have improved to the point where orgasms are worth the effort to achieve them. Prior to starting ADT some were absolutely mind blowing and left me breathless.
Even after being on both first and 2nd generation ADT for 6 months, I think they’re still worth the effort for me.

I recently completed eight weeks of pelvic floor therapy. My therapist who is a woman had access to my medical chart and saw that I am dealing with ED. She told me that it was her belief that levels would help me not only with urinary urgency, but would aid in the quality of erections and result and stronger orgasms. She was correct.

Good luck on your journey with prostate cancer. Never give up.

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@robertmizek

Well, Jeff, here you go again.

You wrote. “There is no reason they shouldn’t be just as intense as before surgery. it may just take a while for you to be adjusted to the new situation and then intensity will come back“

You’re not a doctor. You’re a cancer patient like the rest of us and to make matters worse you have no first-hand experience with recovery from surgery because you chose radiation.

Your comments aren’t constructive and helpful to those of us on this form who chose surgery and are struggling to get quality of life back.

I want to believe that your heart is in the right place, so if you want to help other men in this community, don’t tell other cancer patients who chose surgery what to expect. You can relate your experience and personal struggles any day of the week, but for the rest of it, let it go.

Do the right thing and good luck on your journey with prostate cancer.

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Robert, I was only speaking of my own experience. I had exactly the same problem he did at first and after a while, the orgasms became much stronger, equal to before surgery.

Other people have confirmed the same thing with their experience

I had surgery 14 years ago and salvage radiation 3.5 years later. I have spoken of this many times in this forum. Apparently you haven’t followed my saying this many times. Hard to do that on this forum, can’t just search for some particular person’s comments.

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@robertmizek

Congratulations on having an erection that is 80 to 90% of what you had prior to surgery. If you told me that in person I would high five you. There’s a lot of reason to hope that you’re going to have a full recovery of sexual function.

There are a number of us on the forum that have not had the same good fortune to have return of natural erections but we’re all rooting for you.

I can’t speak medically to your issue, but I can tell you that I had a similar experience initially. My first erection post surgery and before I started ADT was about 70 to 75% and I felt like a stallion. Unfortunately, I recall my first orgasm post surgery was almost nonexistent. I remember commenting to my wife when I first experienced that and we were both shocked, looked at each other and said “now what?”

From my own experience, nine months after surgery things have improved to the point where orgasms are worth the effort to achieve them. Prior to starting ADT some were absolutely mind blowing and left me breathless.
Even after being on both first and 2nd generation ADT for 6 months, I think they’re still worth the effort for me.

I recently completed eight weeks of pelvic floor therapy. My therapist who is a woman had access to my medical chart and saw that I am dealing with ED. She told me that it was her belief that levels would help me not only with urinary urgency, but would aid in the quality of erections and result and stronger orgasms. She was correct.

Good luck on your journey with prostate cancer. Never give up.

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I suspect strengthening the pelvic floor is not just "kegels." @robertmizek or anyone else, do you have other exercises that help rebuild the muscles in this area? Does restrengthening the abdominal wall or whatever that is called also make a difference? I've been doing slow pushups, bridges, and leg lifts but I have received no coaching along these lines. I also had back pain which I suspected was due to a weaker "core." I'm not sure where to go to get advice on further muscle support and recovery. I did get a good start on pelvic floor thanks to a physical therapist around the time of RALP, but she was about 50 miles away and I didn't want to keep making the trek once I got some initial relief and continence.

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My therapist had me doing planks, side planks, clamshells with resistance bands, bridges with resistance bands, squats with resistance bands, bossa ball balance, and several others, along with kegels. For me it dried me up and improved ed function. A good therapist really helped.

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I had the rezum procedure done for bph 3 years ago. Have had dry orgasm ever since. when i went back for 6 month checkup and told doc this he said why does that matter at your age (60). I never went back. From what i can gather, he did nerve damage which is not reversible. He never told me this could happen and i didn't know to ask. I have since read multiple times that he could have avoided the nerves. Be sure to ask if you have any procedure done. Still disappointed.

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@tomcharb

I had the rezum procedure done for bph 3 years ago. Have had dry orgasm ever since. when i went back for 6 month checkup and told doc this he said why does that matter at your age (60). I never went back. From what i can gather, he did nerve damage which is not reversible. He never told me this could happen and i didn't know to ask. I have since read multiple times that he could have avoided the nerves. Be sure to ask if you have any procedure done. Still disappointed.

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There is this mindset with the doctors that you should be happy you dont have cancer. They arent as aggressive with helping with the side-effects. Don't get me wrong, I think I made the right choice about surgery. But, it was implied they had several options to help with the other issues. But when I emailed my doctor I was told, just increase your Cialis dosage. I was hoping for something a little more helpful.

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