PSE Test for Prostate Cancer Before an MRI and for Re-Occurrence

Posted by bens1 @bens1, Oct 22 8:31pm

I had a discussion with a SVP at Oxford Biodynamics last night about the accuracy of their PSE test for both potentially new prostate cancer patients and for those that get tested for biological re-occurrence. He basically explained, in layman’s terms, that regardless of having had treatment or not, the PSE tests 5 biomarkers will be accurate to show the likelihood or not, of prostate cancer 94% of the time.

He said that a change at the cellular level, because of new cancer cells, even when a psma pet scan will not pick up the micro cells, that their test will pick it up.

I have attached a chart he provided. Obviously part of his job is to spread the word, but I believe his intent to help was genuine. He also said that anybody that wished to email him to ask any questions to feel free to do so. His name is Steve Arrivo and his email address is: steven.arrivo@oxfordbiodynamics.com.

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@ava11

Ultrasensitive PSA doesn't give you a specific PSA number if it is less than 0.01?

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I agree. Too small to apply a number too.

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@delmar418

This is why I'm asking, around here. So far, all of the rabbit holes I've been down, all say < 0.01, or < 0.02. There is nothing that says it is okay for it to be 0.911, except the surgeon. I'm in Spain, socialized healthcare where the doctors here are accountants before they are doctors.
I just ordered another PSA from an independent clinic UniLab in Barcelona. If the result is less, doubled, or the same, I will consult a private doctor for a second opinion.

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Just want to mention, I am talking about .2 not .02. Many people don’t get to .02 or .01 but that’s OK. Yes .911 is not really in the safe range normally, it says something is putting out PSA and if that’s true, it can metastasize and grow.

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@jeffmarc

Just want to mention, I am talking about .2 not .02. Many people don’t get to .02 or .01 but that’s OK. Yes .911 is not really in the safe range normally, it says something is putting out PSA and if that’s true, it can metastasize and grow.

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Correction: 0.2. Typo on that 0.02. I need a new keyboard on top of everything else.

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@delmar418

Correction: 0.2. Typo on that 0.02. I need a new keyboard on top of everything else.

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So perhaps this new PSE test may be just the thing you need: is it cancer or is it normal tissue left behind?
You should probably contact the company and see if there are any facilities in Spain who do this.
That said, I agree with others that you need a GU Oncologist consult right now. You have no time to waste if you have suspicious bone pain.

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@bens1

@northoftheborder Steven Arrivo basically said that even after treatment, if one is looking for biological re-occurrence, the test will pick up the changes regarding new or changed cancer cells. Again, he made it clear to me that if anybody had any questions, to email him.

How often one takes the test is a good question.

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I sent Steve an email two days ago. No response to date.

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@tango32652

What is SR?

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Salvage Radiation!

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@heavyphil

So perhaps this new PSE test may be just the thing you need: is it cancer or is it normal tissue left behind?
You should probably contact the company and see if there are any facilities in Spain who do this.
That said, I agree with others that you need a GU Oncologist consult right now. You have no time to waste if you have suspicious bone pain.

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I've ordered a PSA through a private clinic. It was cheap. I have read about the new genomic PSE and I'm looking into that over the weekend. I may have to directly request it, or ask for a referral. They gaslight like you wouldn't believe- but you would because they are good at it.
Thanks for the virtual hug. We all could use one.

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@pdcar4756

I sent Steve an email two days ago. No response to date.

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@pdcar4756
I just emailed Steve about your email and he said he does not have your email. You can either give me your email and I will pass it on so he can answer or contact you or you can email him again.

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@bens1

@pdcar4756
I just emailed Steve about your email and he said he does not have your email. You can either give me your email and I will pass it on so he can answer or contact you or you can email him again.

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@pdcar4756 NEVER MIND. He emailed me and said he found it in his spam folder

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@jeffmarc

If you have prostate cancer, it is circulating in your blood. Obviously they are looking there and have the right techniques to find it. Sounds like a good test for those on active surveillance.

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Hi, thanks for your reply. Just to clarify, the EpiSwitch PSE test analyses immune cells in the blood that have been at interplay with prostate cancer (or not). This actually makes the test more sensitive, requires less blood sample, and doesn't require a large tumor to shed cancer into the blood. We can detect the cancer by analyzing alterations in these cells. But for the most part, spot on!

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