biopsy for small nerve fiber
I was referred by rheumatologist to a doctor at a pain clinic for small nerve muscle biopsy. When I finally got the call from them to make the appointment, I was told I would have the biopsy. When I got there today, I was told by the PA that they would have to check the insurance first, order a "Kit" and go from there. She then asked where I wanted to have my injection. I said I just wanted the biopsy to determine what type of PN I have. She said it didn't matter, the treatments are all the same. I live in PA. I just scheduled with a CRNP (got a cancellation) in
Pittsburgh in the building with top neurologists . I am hoping she can make referrals and schedule the biopsy. I have had so many disappointments trying to figure out why I went from very fit and healthy to being on fire almost everywhere in 8 weeks. I had telemedicine appointment and a 30 minute in person appointment with neurologists. No answers. On 1800 mg gabapentin which I think is helping. I sure don't want to test whether it is or not! I am still not functioning at even 50% of where I was in July. I've posted before; I have had MRI and lots of blood work. X-rays show arthritis, but I never had much pain before all this started. I am limited to UPMC network, so hoping someone can recommend neurologists in Pittsburgh.
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My B6 was high too. The reference range is 2.1 to 21.7. Mine was 30.5. I stopped the multivitamin and fortified yeast, but my symptoms have been worsening. Getting covid on top of it all did not help at all. The burning is now in my neck most of the time.
I live in the same area and also wear my sandals. When I have to go out my socks and shoes are the last one and the first off when I get home.
Interesting to find someone with same story.
I am going for the back consultation. Then, the second appointment is the nerve block. Hoping I can get the nerve block first, and delay the nerve block. I will hopefully be seeing the doctor. You never know. I am constantly surprised by how I am told something on the phone that turns out to be incorrect (insurance especially).
I am going for the back consultation. Then, the second appointment is the nerve block. Hoping I can get the nerve block first, and delay the nerve block. I will hopefully be seeing the doctor. You never know. I am constantly surprised by how I am told something on the phone that turns out to be incorrect (insurance especially). Also , what works for you?
I understand that it can take a year or longer for the body to eliminate the B6. Drink lots of water. Have you tried Nortripyline. I was started on 10 mg and increased by 10 mg a week until 50 mg.
That is true, but for a “gold standard” test, it has a very high margin of error so even for someone who has symptoms and a negative skin punch biopsy, it doesn’t necessarily change the diagnosis. It also doesn’t identify the cause. A negative EMG/NCS for me in the presence of sensory symptoms…still gave me a small fiber neuropathy diagnosis.
I did the biopsy because I was hoping for more certainty since otherwise small fiber sensory neuropathy is a clinical diagnosis (no objective test to “prove” it). Even if it was positive it would have been for my own peace of mind, sort of.
For my biopsy, one sample was “low normal” and the other was inconclusive because the sample didn’t have enough of whatever it is they need to count 🤷🏻♀️.
So…I walked away with two tiny scars (tiny, but I am darker skinned so have a tendency for more scarring), what was categorized as a negative test for small fiber neuropathy that didn’t rule it out, and the same diagnosis I started with, with the same treatment options I had before I did the biopsy.
Like with anything, there are pros and cons to weigh. For me it didn’t change anything when really what I wanted was treatment. I think sometimes doctors don’t explain the nuances well or put more emphasis on diagnoses but not treatment, especially for chronic conditions.
It’s noninvasive, usually covered by insurance, and not painful though, so it’s relatively low risk.
What treatment worked for you??
I am a nurse also. I am scheduled for a punch biopsy in Nov. Hoping that it leads to some sort of diagnosis or helps to clarify things at least.
I am 75 now. I have led a very active and healthy life. I have no heart disease, diabetes, cancer, hypertension, or osteoporosis. What I do have is lots of degenerative arthritis and have had many orthopedic surgeries related to that: Bilateral knee replacements 2009/2019, Spinal Fusion at L3,4,5 in 2018, Torn hamstring surgically repaired 2021, Kyphoplasty L1 2022. I also have long term familial tremors of both hands that slowly increased over the years.
The history of my current situation actually runs from about 2017 to 2022. During those years I experienced occasional and increasing unexplained falls. My family and I observed that something was different about my gait. That being that I was catching my toe and tripping or misplacing my step. I sought medical help at that time with PCP and referral to neurologist. Had appropriate testing at that time including brain MRI. Testing was negative but toe catching was able to be observed once with observation by that neurologist. To watch and wait was the plan. Along the way, I did perceive increasing muscle fatigue in lower extremities when doing a typical walk of 2.5 miles between 2021-22. Also, I could not walk as fast as I was used to being able to. As listed above I did have ortho surgeries in and around that time frame. Related??
In the spring of 2023, there was a change in my symptoms with increased back pain and weakness in legs and significant decrease in ability to climb stairs due to strength not pain. To begin with my increased back pain and symptoms were thought to be related to the condition of my spine. There were plans for a major back surgery. However, before surgery could be scheduled, there was an acute increase in symptoms of bilateral numbness in toes and feet, inability to lift forefoot or to move my toes and severe loss of balance and ataxic gait requiring 100% use of a walker. I seem to be losing function hour to hour. Sensory Motor Nerve Conduction study showed major change over a matter of days from previous study and indicated nerve demyelination. I was hospitalized at that time and treated for GBS for 5 days with IVIG. I stabilized but the symptoms did not go away.
What followed were months of extensive testing and image studies to rule out whatever could be ruled out. What turned up besides the abnormal S/M conduction studies was a recessive gene (POL G) I inherited and that has potential for pathologic expression, mild elevation of spinal fluid Protein and GAD levels. I also had a Sural nerve biopsy that showed essentially normal nerve i.e. no demyelination. At Multiple consults/2nd opinions at specialty centers followed. You know the drill.
I HAVE seen improvement slowly over time. I can walk now with just the use of a cane and I can cruise counters and walls at home fairly well, but balance is still a major issue as well as a residual L footdrop. I must be very careful and always be conscious of my footfall and balance issues. It is exhausting. I fall about 1 x per month despite my best efforts to stay upright.
I am on monthly IVIG. I cannot correlate anything with IVIG treatments. I could not tolerate steroid blasts.
Your experience has buoyed my hopes that the Skin Biopsy may lead to some additional clarity. Thank you.
I'm glad I could give you hope. My story is quite different from yours. My neuropathy manifested as burning pain in my hands and feet. I lived with a diagnosis of fibromyalgia for about six years before being correctly diagnosed, by skin punch biopsy. I had 3 biopsies on each leg - ankle, knee area and upper thigh. They actually count the number of nerve fibers.
Eight years from my initial noticeable symptoms (I say noticeable, because looking back prior to that, I had many weird neuromuscular issues), my overall activity has decreased due to pain and weakness.
But you are describing symptoms of "large fiber" neuropathy. I can think of two people on this forum with that - NJ Ed @njed and Ray Kemble @ray666 - and am going to tag our moderator, John Bishop @johnbishop. I have seen Ed's posts about a brace for foot drop that he wears in his shoe. Ray seems to have similar mobility issues as you.
Thank you for your remarks. The neurologists think I may have two things
that have interplay between them. Like not one zebra but two (rare
things)my primary neurologist told me.
I do have a professionally fitted OFA. It restricts the amount of normal
movement I do have so I am hesitant to wear it. A hightop sneaker seems to
work better but not great either.
Hi @amkie, You might find the discussion on balance and rubbery legs started by @ray666 helpful. Here's the discussion @julbpat mentioned with the foot orthotics.
-- "Rubbery" Legs?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/rubbery-legs/