Puzzled by drug prices

Posted by northoftheborder @northoftheborder, Aug 25 8:51pm

Firmagon and Orgovyx would cost the same in Canada if I were uninsured (about US$240/month), but it looks like Orgovyx is 5× as expensive as Firmagon in the U.S. Since they're both still under patent and don't have generic substitutes, I'm curious why that is.

(Context: someone in the U.S. referred to Orgovyx as a more-expensive treatment, and I didn't understand what they meant at first.)

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@akiwi

Here in Belgium the retail price is 170Euro (190USD) for Orgovyx but free for everyone (insurance is universal). I think these prices are negotiated at the European level so they have a bit of leverage.

The drug companies do need to recoup their investment though (including for any failed drugs along the way) so it looks like the US market is covering a lot of this cost and other markets get the lower rates (which is not fair I know).

On the other hand we don't have drugs available until later than the US: Orgovyx was only available in Nov 2023 in Belgium.

So if you need lifesaving drugs and can pay or have good insurance, the US model has positive points.

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It used to be that the pharma companies had a lot more R&D risk, but I remember reading 10 (?) years ago that the business model had shifted, and that now they outsource much of that risk to smaller biotech startups and then buy the intellectual property once it's become more of a sure thing.

The annoying thing is that much of the riskiest initial research is taxpayer-funded (via universities and other public research institutions), but then taxpayers usually end up paying at the other end of the pipeline once the drug is approved.

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It is frustrating not to fall into either bucket to get help paying for Orgovyx. I went on Medicare last fall after being on my company's health plan for 42 years (32 years of employment + 10 years of retirement), so I can't get the reduced copay. And our yearly income, puts us out of the patience assistance program. I'm not clear on what the Medicare catastrophic limit is for 2025, but I hope it comes down.

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@hwm58

It is frustrating not to fall into either bucket to get help paying for Orgovyx. I went on Medicare last fall after being on my company's health plan for 42 years (32 years of employment + 10 years of retirement), so I can't get the reduced copay. And our yearly income, puts us out of the patience assistance program. I'm not clear on what the Medicare catastrophic limit is for 2025, but I hope it comes down.

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Here it is:
Millions of People with Medicare Will Benefit from the New Out-of-Pocket Drug Spending Cap Over Time. In 2025, Medicare beneficiaries will pay no more than $2,000 out of pocket for prescription drugs covered under Part D, Medicare's outpatient drug benefit.

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