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Slight PSA rise 9 months after radiation.

Prostate Cancer | Last Active: Aug 28 12:13pm | Replies (55)

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@ozelli

What is your oncologist telling you? I would think that your numbers seem high even allowing for a possible bounce. Any PSA bounce that I have seen resolves itself and continues lower in the next quarterly check.

That said, there are no steadfast rules in regard to post radiation numbers. I think that is why they are so vague in their "2.0 points above a nadir meets the criteria for recurrence" rule. No clear numerical definition is ever given of what constitutes a nadir with radiation/no ADT patients.
Unsure as to what effect an enlarged prostate might have on post radiation numbers but others may know more.

I know it is stressful but i might get another test even if out of pocket without waiting the specified 3 months. Do you mind telling us what your Gleason score was?
Wishing you the best.

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@ozelli wrote "That said, there are no steadfast rules in regard to post radiation numbers. I think that is why they are so vague in their "2.0 points above a nadir meets the criteria for recurrence" rule. No clear numerical definition is ever given of what constitutes a nadir with radiation/no ADT patients."

Exactly. Again, layperson writing, but from the links I shared above, it appears that radiation kills only some of the healthy cells in the prostate (in addition to the cancer itself). Since healthy prostate cells also generate PSA at a lower level, your nadir would depend on exactly how and how much radiation hit your prostate and how the healthy cells reacted to it. It's not like a prostatectomy, where the prostate is gone completely so any PSA is probably coming from cancer cells outside it.

Note that the links I shared also said that while many hit their post-radiation PSA nadir after a couple of months, for some it can take as long as 2–3 years. (!!!)

Perhaps PSA after successful radiation therapy falls onto something like a bell curve. If a non-expert uses a small-enough sample (like sharing anecdotal evidence with a few dozen people in a discussion forum), they might hear *only* from people near the middle of the curve, and not realise that a wider spectrum of healthy results is possible. That's why I'm suggesting that the original poster not worry too much until they've talked with their actual oncologist.