I reversed osteoporosis without drugs

Posted by sheilad1 @sheilad1, Dec 28, 2022

I had my bone quality test yesterday along with another bone density test. This was my third bone density test in 14 months.

My first bone density test was Nov 2021.
I started consulting with different doctors. If I must take meds I would. But I had to get to the truth.
The physician who appeared to know the most is Keith McCormick DC the chiropractor who got osteoporosis at a very young age and really understands it.

That first DEXA scan showed I had mild osteoperosis of the spine, within the margin of error.
So no McCormick said to take the CTX (blood) test and a few others.
CTX was good.
My CTX shows that the osteoclasts are not breaking down too much bone. therefore, my next bone density test shouldn’t show that that I am much worse.

I decided not to wait until 2 years for another scan and took
I took another bone density (aka DEXA) scan 10/2022 to see if that was true about the CTX.
My spine was actually better in that scan and it was now osteopenia.
My hip was a little worse bringing it outside the margin of error. McCormick said this was a tough call so I said to him why don’t I get a bone quality test (that he told me about) and I figured that will buy me a little time anyway lol.

Unfortunately, the bone quality test only measures the spine.
Since it’s unusual for your spine to get better and your hip to get worse, it made me think - what have I done differently since the last test? Why would my spine improve but not my hip? What is my spine doing that my hip is not?

I decided it had to be the Supernatural virtual reality exercise app that I exercise to (on the oculus quest VR helmet). Even though I am striking the air, there actually is resistance, and I push hard to hit it as powerfully as I can.

I decided to put weights on my ankles. Everything I read says weight training should be once or twice a week, and I certainly only did it once.

Back to yesterday and the bone quality (TBS) test and yet another bone density (DEXA) test.
My hip was back to where it was on the first test. This put me back inside the margin of error where I would not have to take medication
This demonstrated to me that the CTX score did in fact mean I'm not losing density quickly.
Yesterday's test shows that my spine continued to improve and my bone density score was no longerosteopenia. It was normal. My bone quality test was great. The tech really loved it and called me over to show me how I was completely in the green meaning It was normal which is a little unusual at my age, 74, altogether.

I may be wrong about supernatural helping.
I’ll probably take the DEXA again in six months because I am anxious to see how the hip does, and if it improves even more.
And if so, I’ll turn myself into a study. 😂

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@sheilad1

I maintained and improved, going from osteoporosis to osteopenia to NORMAL with diet (lots of fruits veggies, including dark leafy greens and very light strength training 3 or more times a week. Vit D. No meds.

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Thanks for posting. I have vertigo, and so far, I’ve tried two oral drugs for osteoporosis, and both made me very dizzy. I’m afraid to get injections, for fear that I’ll have prolonged dizziness that I can’t reverse. For now, my doctor suggests vitamin D supplements and exercise, until my next DEXA, which is 6 months away. I will try to increase my intake of frites and veggies as well.

Thanks again.

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@whilloba

It’s called a DEXA scan and it’s a simple quick scan l add ting on table taking less than five minutes. You don’t even have to change your clothes. It measures the mineral density of the cortical bones (outer bone structure) of your spine and femur hip usually.
But now there is evidence that people need to also get a Trebecular Bone
Score done at the same time. The TBS measures the inside micro architecture or “scaffolding” thst basically holds together snd supports the outer cortical bone. The TBS is just getting known in the US the last couple years so not every imaging place has it but it’s critical to know this score. You can get DEXA and think you’re in good shape while your inner scaffolding could be very weak and prone to fracture. My burst compression fractures were the result of the inner scaffolding crumbling to pieces and falling causing the three inches height loss. A backward fall on concrete is what eventually caused my trauma in spine and fractured skull. I suggest people start asking for and demanding the TBS testing when they get the DEXA. It is about $50 but if ordered by doctor totally covered by Medicare.

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I am definitely going to look into this. Of course I’ve had DEXA scans for the past 15 years. I refuse to go on medicine and have done other things and my bones are pretty stable at this point thanks for all the information so helpful.

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@whilloba

It’s called a DEXA scan and it’s a simple quick scan l add ting on table taking less than five minutes. You don’t even have to change your clothes. It measures the mineral density of the cortical bones (outer bone structure) of your spine and femur hip usually.
But now there is evidence that people need to also get a Trebecular Bone
Score done at the same time. The TBS measures the inside micro architecture or “scaffolding” thst basically holds together snd supports the outer cortical bone. The TBS is just getting known in the US the last couple years so not every imaging place has it but it’s critical to know this score. You can get DEXA and think you’re in good shape while your inner scaffolding could be very weak and prone to fracture. My burst compression fractures were the result of the inner scaffolding crumbling to pieces and falling causing the three inches height loss. A backward fall on concrete is what eventually caused my trauma in spine and fractured skull. I suggest people start asking for and demanding the TBS testing when they get the DEXA. It is about $50 but if ordered by doctor totally covered by Medicare.

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Just to add a little more info on cortical and trabecular bone. This site has a good diagram on locations on the body of each, and a chart with info on each.
https://myendoconsult.com/learn/cortical-versus-trabecular-bone/
Trabecular bone is in spine, pelvis, Cortical bone is in limbs, hips. femur neck. Trabecular bone remodels faster so seems to benefit more from some of the meds.

This article discusses the TBS. It says that the DEXA cannot distinguish cortical from trabecular. I assume my DEXA gains are mainly trabecular, not cortical.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/medical-professionals/endocrinology/news/new-tools-to-predict-fracture-risk/mac-20430573#:~:text=These%20limitations%20stem%20from%20the%20inability%20of%20DXA,smaller%20bones%20and%20overestimate%20BMD%20of%20larger%20bones.

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What is the supplement?

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I went to see an endocrinologist this week.
I brought him my history, supplements, collagen peptide with Fortibone, amongst other things.
He basically said nothing is going to build bone density! Doing what I’m doing might help slow down bone loss, but he said taking medications is the answer.
I plan on sticking with my routine until January 2025 and then see if there are any improvements before considering to start meds.

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@meri8181

I went to see an endocrinologist this week.
I brought him my history, supplements, collagen peptide with Fortibone, amongst other things.
He basically said nothing is going to build bone density! Doing what I’m doing might help slow down bone loss, but he said taking medications is the answer.
I plan on sticking with my routine until January 2025 and then see if there are any improvements before considering to start meds.

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@meri8181 based on my experience, reading, and doctors' advice, I believe that bone density loss is inevitable after menopause. Humans live a lot longer than originally planned!!

Many of us on this forum cannot rely on maintenance or even small improvements, since our bones have lost a lot of density, or because we have fractured.

I almost feel like we need two forums: osteoporosis DEXA scans above -3.0 with no fractures and below -3.0 and/or fractures. Maybe this thread is exactly that !

If your bone density loss is mild, I hope you can keep doing what you are doing and do well. If things get worse, just know there are ways to make medications work for you in a tolerable way, in many or even most cases.

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I am curious if any of the contributors to Connect have considered hrt. Now that the "results" of the women's health initiative are being questioned it would seem reasonable that doctors would begin to recommend it again. In Europe I have read that some countries rely on it primarily for treatment of osteoporosis.

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@gravity3

I am curious if any of the contributors to Connect have considered hrt. Now that the "results" of the women's health initiative are being questioned it would seem reasonable that doctors would begin to recommend it again. In Europe I have read that some countries rely on it primarily for treatment of osteoporosis.

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@gravity3 there has been discussion on HRT here on Connect and there might even be a thread on it. Some of the discussion, as I remember, featured using HRT longer or after 60.

I had breast cancer that was fed by hormones so it's out for me!

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@gravity3

I am curious if any of the contributors to Connect have considered hrt. Now that the "results" of the women's health initiative are being questioned it would seem reasonable that doctors would begin to recommend it again. In Europe I have read that some countries rely on it primarily for treatment of osteoporosis.

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I went on Forteo to build back some of the density I lost and then went on HRT to maintain. It was about 6 years ago and there was no discussion at the time about HRT as there is now so it was considered novel, unconventional and risky. I felt that none of the drug alternatives were a good match for me due to autoimmune issues and GERD so I advocated for HRT as the most natural approach since it was something my body would recognize and hopefully utilize well. Once I ran through my reasons for rejecting the conventional alternatives with my endocrinologist, he realized it was a good option for me and agreed to prescribe it. HRT used to be an osteoporosis treatment before the WHI debacle and the development of other drugs. Overall, it seems to have worked for me in maintaining the gains I made with Forteo and I hope to stay on it for the rest of my life. That is something to take into consideration as well if deciding to go on HRT as once you stop, you lose bone mass just as you would in menopause or after using an anabolic.

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@teb

I went on Forteo to build back some of the density I lost and then went on HRT to maintain. It was about 6 years ago and there was no discussion at the time about HRT as there is now so it was considered novel, unconventional and risky. I felt that none of the drug alternatives were a good match for me due to autoimmune issues and GERD so I advocated for HRT as the most natural approach since it was something my body would recognize and hopefully utilize well. Once I ran through my reasons for rejecting the conventional alternatives with my endocrinologist, he realized it was a good option for me and agreed to prescribe it. HRT used to be an osteoporosis treatment before the WHI debacle and the development of other drugs. Overall, it seems to have worked for me in maintaining the gains I made with Forteo and I hope to stay on it for the rest of my life. That is something to take into consideration as well if deciding to go on HRT as once you stop, you lose bone mass just as you would in menopause or after using an anabolic.

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Thank you for your thoughtful response. I have an appointment with a
functional medicine doc in a few days since my endocrinologist, my PCP and
a woman gynecologist refused to prescribe it for me

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