Caffeine's Role in Osteoporosis

Posted by beanieone @beanieone, Jul 21 12:58pm

Hi All,

Still finding things to ask about . . .

In researching OP testing both recently and in the past, I note that caffeine may play a role in OP. Unfortunately, no doc has ever asked me about my coffee/caffeine consumption throughout my life. When I was working, it was nothing for me to down an entire pot of coffee in the morning, and then go for another cup or two in the evening; I still drink about four cups daily.

Some studies suggest that caffeine does not weaken bones. A Mayo Clinic study suggests that overindulgence of caffeine "predisposes one to cortical bone loss from the proximal (upper end of the) femur". Knowing one possible adverse reaction to Reclast is unusual femur fractures, does it stand to reason that perhaps that should be a topic of discussion? Is it possible that those of us who like our morning cuppa Joe are actually putting ourselves at risk for femur fracture?

Just wanted to run this one by our group. Thanks for all who listen to the ramblings. Cheers!

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Osteoporosis & Bone Health Support Group.

@nme1985, I believe there are some strong powers we access when we use humor to get through our trials.

I commend you for cutting your DC consumption by 90%!! 🎉. We should always do the best we can for our bodies and our minds, especially as we grow older.

All the best! Cheers!

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@teb

That is true that it is called knitbone and it definitely has stimulating properties to skin cells and bone and was used traditionally as a wound healer. But those same alkaloids that stimulate the proliferation of cells can be damaging to the liver. It's an herb that requires knowledge and extreme caution. It's really not worth the risk in using and if anyone decides to use it, please seek the advice and guidance of an established herbal practitioner. Overall, it is not recommended for internal use and caution advised with external use.

From Mount Sinai:
https://www.mountsinai.org/health-library/herb/comfrey
And information on Barbara O'Neill. She is actually not a naturopath and has no medical credentials. Please read this very informative page on her practices and her subsequent ban by the New South Wales Health Care Complaints Commission.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_O%27Neill
Barbara O'Neill (born 28 July 1953[1]) is an Australian alternative health care promoter, known for advertising unsupported health practices described as dangerous by the scientific community.[2][3][1] She presents these claims at alternative medicine organisations, wellness retreats, and Seventh-day Adventist Churches despite not having any recognised qualifications and failing nursing training.[4][5]

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Well isn’t that information just terrifying, @teb. Thanks for the intel.

Cheers!

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@teb

IMPORTANT: I'd be VERY careful in consuming comfrey. Comfrey contains alkaloids that can cause liver damage and death. Even used topically, you need to be extremely careful and it should not be used on puncture, deep or infected wounds as it will speed external healing, potentially trapping pathogens and/or infections internally. Please be careful about what you incorporate into your diet from non-vetted sources on the internet.

Although caffeine can cause some minor calcium loss, I think the loss is easily offset unless of course you are consuming massive amounts of coffee throughout the day. One or two cups in the morning is likely fine and the health benefits of coffee are well documented so it's not something I would personally eliminate.

If you are looking to substitute tea for some of your coffee, one of the best options is nettles tea which is rich in minerals including calcium. It doesn't taste very good but you can combine it with peppermint, also quite mineral rich, which improves the taste. You can also include other herbs to make a nutritious blend by adding any of the following: sage, red clover, tulsi (holy basil), plantain, gotu kola. Rotation is always recommended. Periodically adding in a pinch of horsetail will provide silicon which is great for the bones but horsetail is not recommended for daily use as it can decrease thiamine absorption so only use occasionally if you decide to incorporate.

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@teb , @madhub140 , @beanieone

I was reading teb's comments about the dangers of comfrey. And madhub's response.

Teb says there are dangers and madhub says someone is touting it on the internet.

Personally, I believe this would be a good question for a pharmacist and doctor. Whenever I'm not sure about a drug or other substance I call our local pharmacist and they have been wonderful at giving me information on drugs and other products. Just a thought.

I found a link from Mount Sinai, what I believe to be a reliable source, that addresses this (scroll down to the "Precautions" and "Possible Interactions" sections.) https://www.mountsinai.org/health-library/herb/comfrey#:~:text=Comfrey%20has%20toxic%20substances%20that,only%20under%20a%20doctor's%20supervision.

Here's what it has to say:

Precautions
Comfrey has toxic substances that can cause severe liver damage and even death. You should never take comfrey by mouth.

The toxic substances in comfrey can be absorbed by the skin. Even creams and ointments should be used for only a short time, and only under a doctor's supervision.

DO NOT use comfrey on open wounds or broken skin.

DO NOT use comfrey if you have liver disease, alcoholism, or cancer.

Children, the elderly, and pregnant or breastfeeding women should not use comfrey products, even ones for the skin.

Possible Interactions
Since comfrey may increase the risk of liver damage, it should not be used with other medications that may also affect the liver, such as acetaminophen (Tylenol). If you take any medications, whether prescription or over the counter, ask your doctor before using comfrey.

You should not use some herbs that have also been known to cause liver problems, such as kava, skullcap, and valerian, while using comfrey ointments or creams.

ps - at the end of the article they site supporting research

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I used to be a Diet Pepsi fiend. I got off of it by drinking sparkling water plain with no sugars. Mineral water even better. It has the carbonation which is probably what you actually crave. Then you might be able to ween off of that too as any carbonation is not good for bones. But….sparkling water is much better than diet colas and provides a better compromise. I have gotten several friends off diet sodas this way. Now I just drink mineral water or filtered water and diet cokes taste disgusting to me!

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Something new every day! So much information and thanks to all who have posted info/answers to these questions. Why are we not getting this info, at an early age, from our health care professionals?

I don’t drink a lot of carbonated drinks, but I think you are correct in stating that it’s the bubbles I crave, not necessarily the flavor. I read (after seeing your post) that the phosphorous in cola drinks can cause bone loss, however, carbonated water can actually be good for our bones. Does it stand to reason that drinking clear sodas (7-Up, Sprite) would be good for our bones? Perhaps I can get my “fizz” elsewhere!

Cheers!

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I just found this thread and find the comments enlightening. I've heard for several years about the possible impact of caffeine on bone loss, but really didn't pay much attention until I was diagnosed with Osteoporosis. I drank at least a pot of coffee a day all my working years, and into my retirement, but quit it cold turkey about two weeks ago. Have to admit I haven't really missed it. In these latter few years I think it was more the flavored creamer I was after rather than the coffee itself!

My doc HAS in the past asked me if I drink coffee. She said a little was okay, but to make it half coffee/half skim milk (which I sometimes did, but mostly used the creamer or a combination). That was before my bone scan results so I plan to question her at my next appointment. What makes it so confusing is that every other day there's a new report out about the health effects of coffee. One day it's good for you, the next day it's bad. At this point I'm down to water and herbal tea. I'm considering decaf instant coffee, which my husband drinks, but from what I've read it's not totally caffeine-free, so I don't know whether to take the chance. Better safe than sorry.

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@aacatsaregreat

I just found this thread and find the comments enlightening. I've heard for several years about the possible impact of caffeine on bone loss, but really didn't pay much attention until I was diagnosed with Osteoporosis. I drank at least a pot of coffee a day all my working years, and into my retirement, but quit it cold turkey about two weeks ago. Have to admit I haven't really missed it. In these latter few years I think it was more the flavored creamer I was after rather than the coffee itself!

My doc HAS in the past asked me if I drink coffee. She said a little was okay, but to make it half coffee/half skim milk (which I sometimes did, but mostly used the creamer or a combination). That was before my bone scan results so I plan to question her at my next appointment. What makes it so confusing is that every other day there's a new report out about the health effects of coffee. One day it's good for you, the next day it's bad. At this point I'm down to water and herbal tea. I'm considering decaf instant coffee, which my husband drinks, but from what I've read it's not totally caffeine-free, so I don't know whether to take the chance. Better safe than sorry.

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Howdy @aacatsaregreat,

Thanks for joining the discussion - the more the merrier, 😬. I have never used any kind of flavoring or sugar in my coffee, but I do drink hi-test, flavored brews. Also, my preparation makes the coffee about half as strong as “recommended by the coffee producers”. So there’s that!

I, too, have read conflicting accounts of whether or not coffee is good or bad for us and our bones (and there are other members who have posted interesting info here).

Until recently, I thought caffeine was (sort of) good for our general health. Sadly, I found the article discussing the effects caffeine has on our bones after I met with my rheumatologist and none of my docs along the way have ever asked me if I drank coffee, tea, colas . . . only alcohol, lol.

We need to suss out more articles about this subject because many of us are older and have been drinking beverages that contain that vile caffeine 🫨 for quite awhile.

Cheers, one and all!

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@beanieone

Howdy @aacatsaregreat,

Thanks for joining the discussion - the more the merrier, 😬. I have never used any kind of flavoring or sugar in my coffee, but I do drink hi-test, flavored brews. Also, my preparation makes the coffee about half as strong as “recommended by the coffee producers”. So there’s that!

I, too, have read conflicting accounts of whether or not coffee is good or bad for us and our bones (and there are other members who have posted interesting info here).

Until recently, I thought caffeine was (sort of) good for our general health. Sadly, I found the article discussing the effects caffeine has on our bones after I met with my rheumatologist and none of my docs along the way have ever asked me if I drank coffee, tea, colas . . . only alcohol, lol.

We need to suss out more articles about this subject because many of us are older and have been drinking beverages that contain that vile caffeine 🫨 for quite awhile.

Cheers, one and all!

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Is it the caffeine or the acidity? If it’s the acidity you can make coffee with alkaline water. If it’s the caffeine, you can drink decaf. Or do both 🤷‍♀️

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@tmarkow

Is it the caffeine or the acidity? If it’s the acidity you can make coffee with alkaline water. If it’s the caffeine, you can drink decaf. Or do both 🤷‍♀️

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I have a feeling it’s the caffeine that’s the culprit @tmarkow as colas are also suspect. Also, no decaf for me as the flavor is, in a word, yucky! 😝

Anyone else care to post?

Cheers!

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@aacatsaregreat

I just found this thread and find the comments enlightening. I've heard for several years about the possible impact of caffeine on bone loss, but really didn't pay much attention until I was diagnosed with Osteoporosis. I drank at least a pot of coffee a day all my working years, and into my retirement, but quit it cold turkey about two weeks ago. Have to admit I haven't really missed it. In these latter few years I think it was more the flavored creamer I was after rather than the coffee itself!

My doc HAS in the past asked me if I drink coffee. She said a little was okay, but to make it half coffee/half skim milk (which I sometimes did, but mostly used the creamer or a combination). That was before my bone scan results so I plan to question her at my next appointment. What makes it so confusing is that every other day there's a new report out about the health effects of coffee. One day it's good for you, the next day it's bad. At this point I'm down to water and herbal tea. I'm considering decaf instant coffee, which my husband drinks, but from what I've read it's not totally caffeine-free, so I don't know whether to take the chance. Better safe than sorry.

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Consider also the fact that decaf coffee contains chemicals from the decaf process.

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