Caffeine's Role in Osteoporosis

Posted by beanieone @beanieone, Jul 21 12:58pm

Hi All,

Still finding things to ask about . . .

In researching OP testing both recently and in the past, I note that caffeine may play a role in OP. Unfortunately, no doc has ever asked me about my coffee/caffeine consumption throughout my life. When I was working, it was nothing for me to down an entire pot of coffee in the morning, and then go for another cup or two in the evening; I still drink about four cups daily.

Some studies suggest that caffeine does not weaken bones. A Mayo Clinic study suggests that overindulgence of caffeine "predisposes one to cortical bone loss from the proximal (upper end of the) femur". Knowing one possible adverse reaction to Reclast is unusual femur fractures, does it stand to reason that perhaps that should be a topic of discussion? Is it possible that those of us who like our morning cuppa Joe are actually putting ourselves at risk for femur fracture?

Just wanted to run this one by our group. Thanks for all who listen to the ramblings. Cheers!

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Osteoporosis & Bone Health Support Group.

@beanieone

Hi @loriesco

Very informative. Oddly enough, when I was pregnant I couldn’t drink a drop of coffee - the smell made me nauseous - should’ve read the proverbial tea leaves then 😉. My plan is to switch to tea very soon. I can’t honestly say I’ve had sufficient calcium or Vitamin D in past years.

Thanks for the read! Cheers!

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Probably the acids got you. I’d rather die than give up my morning cup of coffee. 💗😊😂my calcium is extraordinarily consistent and I eat well. I think it’s mostly genetic and post menopausal problems. I went into menopause early. Once you have no more hormones our bodies “ go south.” 😊 I take vitamin D supplements and walk everyday. good luck!

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@madhub140

You're braver than I re saying no to coffee. I'm now down to one cup in the morning with half decaf and half organic caff. ( Also, Barbara O'Neil swears by comfrey tea building bones.) I do put cream in it, but not to give me more calcium. I'm following Dr Susan Brown (brilliant woman!) and her osteoporosis regimen and taking the Alea Cal protocol which guarantees bone growth within six months. I refuse to take the meds the docs recommend to their chagrin. Took fosamax for some years and am not willing to pay the price my friends have in using it. But everyone must follow their own wisdom re the meds. I simply know too much at this point to allow them in my life.

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sounds wonderful. Have you gotten any tests to see if you are on the right track?

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@madhub140

You're braver than I re saying no to coffee. I'm now down to one cup in the morning with half decaf and half organic caff. ( Also, Barbara O'Neil swears by comfrey tea building bones.) I do put cream in it, but not to give me more calcium. I'm following Dr Susan Brown (brilliant woman!) and her osteoporosis regimen and taking the Alea Cal protocol which guarantees bone growth within six months. I refuse to take the meds the docs recommend to their chagrin. Took fosamax for some years and am not willing to pay the price my friends have in using it. But everyone must follow their own wisdom re the meds. I simply know too much at this point to allow them in my life.

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IMPORTANT: I'd be VERY careful in consuming comfrey. Comfrey contains alkaloids that can cause liver damage and death. Even used topically, you need to be extremely careful and it should not be used on puncture, deep or infected wounds as it will speed external healing, potentially trapping pathogens and/or infections internally. Please be careful about what you incorporate into your diet from non-vetted sources on the internet.

Although caffeine can cause some minor calcium loss, I think the loss is easily offset unless of course you are consuming massive amounts of coffee throughout the day. One or two cups in the morning is likely fine and the health benefits of coffee are well documented so it's not something I would personally eliminate.

If you are looking to substitute tea for some of your coffee, one of the best options is nettles tea which is rich in minerals including calcium. It doesn't taste very good but you can combine it with peppermint, also quite mineral rich, which improves the taste. You can also include other herbs to make a nutritious blend by adding any of the following: sage, red clover, tulsi (holy basil), plantain, gotu kola. Rotation is always recommended. Periodically adding in a pinch of horsetail will provide silicon which is great for the bones but horsetail is not recommended for daily use as it can decrease thiamine absorption so only use occasionally if you decide to incorporate.

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@teb

IMPORTANT: I'd be VERY careful in consuming comfrey. Comfrey contains alkaloids that can cause liver damage and death. Even used topically, you need to be extremely careful and it should not be used on puncture, deep or infected wounds as it will speed external healing, potentially trapping pathogens and/or infections internally. Please be careful about what you incorporate into your diet from non-vetted sources on the internet.

Although caffeine can cause some minor calcium loss, I think the loss is easily offset unless of course you are consuming massive amounts of coffee throughout the day. One or two cups in the morning is likely fine and the health benefits of coffee are well documented so it's not something I would personally eliminate.

If you are looking to substitute tea for some of your coffee, one of the best options is nettles tea which is rich in minerals including calcium. It doesn't taste very good but you can combine it with peppermint, also quite mineral rich, which improves the taste. You can also include other herbs to make a nutritious blend by adding any of the following: sage, red clover, tulsi (holy basil), plantain, gotu kola. Rotation is always recommended. Periodically adding in a pinch of horsetail will provide silicon which is great for the bones but horsetail is not recommended for daily use as it can decrease thiamine absorption so only use occasionally if you decide to incorporate.

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Yikes! Thanks for providing this valuable info @teb. I’ve never been one to drink much herbal or non-caffeinated tea, however, I need to give my bones every chance to get me upright and much closer to 100 🙄…. My tea is usually flavored so I can make the “sacrifice” and do two coffees, two teas daily.

Cheers!

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@beanieone

@madhub140, I’ve given up coffee in the past, only to start drinking it again and decaf, ooooh, can’t do that! I def need to look further into the benefits of tea. My younger sister has always had a thin frame and would be a perfect candidate for OP, but at 65, she has t-scores something like -1.0 in spine and -1.2 in hip and . . . she is a lifelong tea drinker. I don’t know if there’s any correlation, but, hit me over the head with research and evidence and I’ll take notice.

I understand your mistrust of OP meds. No one knows what problems these treatments might cause in 20 or 30 years. I like the idea of natural (AlgaeCal) remedies, but how do you monitor bone density increase when docs aren’t really interested in DEXA’s or other testing more than every two years. Hooray to you for being your own advocate!

My doc recommended the Bone Health & Osteoporosis Foundation as a resource. Prior to taking meds, I tried to find this type of organization, but had no idea I should be looking for BHOF instead of something like National Association of OP. Anyway, lots of good info on the site. Gotta stop rambling now and go have a cup of tea!

Thanks for weighing in on this subject! Cheers!

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I've switched to Decaf coffee. I haven't heard or seen anything indicating that causes any issues. Anyone else know? thanks!

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@teb

IMPORTANT: I'd be VERY careful in consuming comfrey. Comfrey contains alkaloids that can cause liver damage and death. Even used topically, you need to be extremely careful and it should not be used on puncture, deep or infected wounds as it will speed external healing, potentially trapping pathogens and/or infections internally. Please be careful about what you incorporate into your diet from non-vetted sources on the internet.

Although caffeine can cause some minor calcium loss, I think the loss is easily offset unless of course you are consuming massive amounts of coffee throughout the day. One or two cups in the morning is likely fine and the health benefits of coffee are well documented so it's not something I would personally eliminate.

If you are looking to substitute tea for some of your coffee, one of the best options is nettles tea which is rich in minerals including calcium. It doesn't taste very good but you can combine it with peppermint, also quite mineral rich, which improves the taste. You can also include other herbs to make a nutritious blend by adding any of the following: sage, red clover, tulsi (holy basil), plantain, gotu kola. Rotation is always recommended. Periodically adding in a pinch of horsetail will provide silicon which is great for the bones but horsetail is not recommended for daily use as it can decrease thiamine absorption so only use occasionally if you decide to incorporate.

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I disagree with you re comfrey. It is referred to as 'knitbone' and has the ability to stimulate cell growth in bone tissue and in ligaments. Naturopathic doctor, Barbara O'Neil touts the huge benefits to bones with comfrey tea. She speaks about osteoporosis and its origins in the following video:

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Found this on Comfrey:

Overview
Comfrey (Symphytum officinale) is a plant with yellow or purple flowers found in Europe, Asia, and North America. It contains chemicals that are poisonous.

Comfrey contains chemicals called pyrrolizidine alkaloids (PAs), which can cause severe liver damage. It also contains chemicals that might reduce swelling.

Despite safety concerns, some people use comfrey for bruises, osteoarthritis, sprains, and other conditions, but there is no good scientific evidence to support these uses.

The US FDA has recommended that all comfrey products that are taken by mouth be removed from the market due to serious safety concerns. Don't confuse comfrey with black root or bugle. These are not the same. Also don't confuse it with foxglove, which looks similar to comfrey before it blooms.

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That is true that it is called knitbone and it definitely has stimulating properties to skin cells and bone and was used traditionally as a wound healer. But those same alkaloids that stimulate the proliferation of cells can be damaging to the liver. It's an herb that requires knowledge and extreme caution. It's really not worth the risk in using and if anyone decides to use it, please seek the advice and guidance of an established herbal practitioner. Overall, it is not recommended for internal use and caution advised with external use.

From Mount Sinai:
https://www.mountsinai.org/health-library/herb/comfrey
And information on Barbara O'Neill. She is actually not a naturopath and has no medical credentials. Please read this very informative page on her practices and her subsequent ban by the New South Wales Health Care Complaints Commission.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_O%27Neill
Barbara O'Neill (born 28 July 1953[1]) is an Australian alternative health care promoter, known for advertising unsupported health practices described as dangerous by the scientific community.[2][3][1] She presents these claims at alternative medicine organisations, wellness retreats, and Seventh-day Adventist Churches despite not having any recognised qualifications and failing nursing training.[4][5]

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I read the same thing too. I have cut my coffee consumption to one cup in the morning. Years ago, I would drink a pot a day just like you. I think we have to do everything we can to try to avoid our numbers getting worse. The one thing I can’t give up is Diet Coke…. The doctor said it’s horrible but I said you know what I can give alcohol but I can’t give up one Diet Coke a day… I used to drink at least 10! Haha. I think we always have to find a sense of humor in life.

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