@vvvalsigkap Hello, that is a really interesting question. I'm always interested in ways to control my chronic pain better, so I did a little looking, and was unable to find any recent research. Like sodium and the B vitamins and vitamins D & E, magnesium supplements are tricky - the body needs enough, but too much. And the research about the most bio-available types is a relatively new thing.
Can you point me to whatever information piqued your interest?
Sue
@vvvalsigkap Hello, that is a really interesting question. I'm always interested in ways to control my chronic pain better, so I did a little looking, and was unable to find any recent research. Like sodium and the B vitamins and vitamins D & E, magnesium supplements are tricky - the body needs enough, but too much. And the research about the most bio-available types is a relatively new thing.
Can you point me to whatever information piqued your interest?
Sue
Hi Sue! The product I was asking about is called Biooptimizers, a combo of 7 types of Magnesium. Claims it helps relieve chronic pain among other things.
Hi Sue! The product I was asking about is called Biooptimizers, a combo of 7 types of Magnesium. Claims it helps relieve chronic pain among other things.
Now that we have a product name, let's look at this like a scientist or researcher.
First, I looked for scientific research studies or scholarly articles of Bioptimizers magnesium, or any of their other supplements. Nothing!
Then I looked at scholar.google.com. Nothing!
Then I looked through pages and pages of the search "BIOptimizer Magnesium Breakthrough" on Google - all are sponsored, or ads from places like Amazon. Even the youtube reviews are sponsored.
Hmm, really looks like a lot of self-promotion. What do scholarly articles say about magnesium? A lot, actually, including that it MAY help reduce pain. https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/8/2184
But, again, there are no scholarly reviews to demonstrate that there are significant difference between supplements containing one or two types of magnesium, and those containing more.
As to whether we really need a magnesium supplement at all, read here: https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/magnesium-test
Remember, as with all substances, more is not necessarily better. And your food and other supplements provide magnesium as well. Magnesium in excess of what your body needs is excreted by the kidneys - in other words, you produce expensive urine. If you have stomach, lung or kidney conditions, you can have side effects like gastritis, diarrhea, respiratory distress or worsened kidney disease.
Magnesium can also interfere with the effectiveness of other medications, and in the case of cardio and blood pressure medications can cause side effects.
Now, one more check. What does a magnesium supplement cost from BIOptimizer? On their Web Site 60 capsules of 250mg magnesium each or a 30 day supply costs $27.20 (The label says one dose is 2 capsules) On Amazon, it is $39.00 In other words, about $1.00 to $1.30/day
What does a magnesium supplement cost from other sources? Looking at several from known supplement companies, 500 mg (from 2 to 8 types of magnesium) costs between $.10 and $.25 per day.
So, if I was thinking about supplementing magnesium, I would look at all the other things I eat and supplements I take to see if I already get enough. Then I would look at my prescriptions and see if it might interact with them. Finally, I would run it by my doc just to make sure I wasn't missing anything.
Now that we have a product name, let's look at this like a scientist or researcher.
First, I looked for scientific research studies or scholarly articles of Bioptimizers magnesium, or any of their other supplements. Nothing!
Then I looked at scholar.google.com. Nothing!
Then I looked through pages and pages of the search "BIOptimizer Magnesium Breakthrough" on Google - all are sponsored, or ads from places like Amazon. Even the youtube reviews are sponsored.
Hmm, really looks like a lot of self-promotion. What do scholarly articles say about magnesium? A lot, actually, including that it MAY help reduce pain. https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/8/2184
But, again, there are no scholarly reviews to demonstrate that there are significant difference between supplements containing one or two types of magnesium, and those containing more.
As to whether we really need a magnesium supplement at all, read here: https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/magnesium-test
Remember, as with all substances, more is not necessarily better. And your food and other supplements provide magnesium as well. Magnesium in excess of what your body needs is excreted by the kidneys - in other words, you produce expensive urine. If you have stomach, lung or kidney conditions, you can have side effects like gastritis, diarrhea, respiratory distress or worsened kidney disease.
Magnesium can also interfere with the effectiveness of other medications, and in the case of cardio and blood pressure medications can cause side effects.
Now, one more check. What does a magnesium supplement cost from BIOptimizer? On their Web Site 60 capsules of 250mg magnesium each or a 30 day supply costs $27.20 (The label says one dose is 2 capsules) On Amazon, it is $39.00 In other words, about $1.00 to $1.30/day
What does a magnesium supplement cost from other sources? Looking at several from known supplement companies, 500 mg (from 2 to 8 types of magnesium) costs between $.10 and $.25 per day.
So, if I was thinking about supplementing magnesium, I would look at all the other things I eat and supplements I take to see if I already get enough. Then I would look at my prescriptions and see if it might interact with them. Finally, I would run it by my doc just to make sure I wasn't missing anything.
Now that we have a product name, let's look at this like a scientist or researcher.
First, I looked for scientific research studies or scholarly articles of Bioptimizers magnesium, or any of their other supplements. Nothing!
Then I looked at scholar.google.com. Nothing!
Then I looked through pages and pages of the search "BIOptimizer Magnesium Breakthrough" on Google - all are sponsored, or ads from places like Amazon. Even the youtube reviews are sponsored.
Hmm, really looks like a lot of self-promotion. What do scholarly articles say about magnesium? A lot, actually, including that it MAY help reduce pain. https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/8/2184
But, again, there are no scholarly reviews to demonstrate that there are significant difference between supplements containing one or two types of magnesium, and those containing more.
As to whether we really need a magnesium supplement at all, read here: https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/magnesium-test
Remember, as with all substances, more is not necessarily better. And your food and other supplements provide magnesium as well. Magnesium in excess of what your body needs is excreted by the kidneys - in other words, you produce expensive urine. If you have stomach, lung or kidney conditions, you can have side effects like gastritis, diarrhea, respiratory distress or worsened kidney disease.
Magnesium can also interfere with the effectiveness of other medications, and in the case of cardio and blood pressure medications can cause side effects.
Now, one more check. What does a magnesium supplement cost from BIOptimizer? On their Web Site 60 capsules of 250mg magnesium each or a 30 day supply costs $27.20 (The label says one dose is 2 capsules) On Amazon, it is $39.00 In other words, about $1.00 to $1.30/day
What does a magnesium supplement cost from other sources? Looking at several from known supplement companies, 500 mg (from 2 to 8 types of magnesium) costs between $.10 and $.25 per day.
So, if I was thinking about supplementing magnesium, I would look at all the other things I eat and supplements I take to see if I already get enough. Then I would look at my prescriptions and see if it might interact with them. Finally, I would run it by my doc just to make sure I wasn't missing anything.
I always look for peer reviewed researched publish in scientific journals. There way to many quick fixes being hyped on social media and cable networks.
I always look for peer reviewed researched publish in scientific journals. There way to many quick fixes being hyped on social media and cable networks.
Me too, Ken, but in this case I went down one research hole after another with no luck, except for the one article I cited - which was really about post-surgical pain.
But that doesn't stop dozens of "experts" trying to sell us on it. And I understand...nobody wants to be in pain, and most people want a "natural" way to deal with it, so will try almost anything.
I'm not sure why seven types of magnesium would be better than one or two. Oral magnesium is a bit calming, so if anxiety is a co-factor it might possibly be beneficial. I use liquid topical magnesium to cut down on back pain and to reduce jumpy and restless legs. Not a cure, but some clear benefits. Your results might vary. For my back I spray two squirts into my left hand and rub it onto my spine. For my legs I spray it directly onto my calves and rub it in. I don't use it everyday as i don't want to overdo it. I use the kind with no additives or other minerals, it's just magnesium. Best of luck to you. Pain is a jerk!
Me too, Ken, but in this case I went down one research hole after another with no luck, except for the one article I cited - which was really about post-surgical pain.
But that doesn't stop dozens of "experts" trying to sell us on it. And I understand...nobody wants to be in pain, and most people want a "natural" way to deal with it, so will try almost anything.
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@vvvalsigkap Hello, that is a really interesting question. I'm always interested in ways to control my chronic pain better, so I did a little looking, and was unable to find any recent research. Like sodium and the B vitamins and vitamins D & E, magnesium supplements are tricky - the body needs enough, but too much. And the research about the most bio-available types is a relatively new thing.
Can you point me to whatever information piqued your interest?
Sue
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3 ReactionsHi Sue! The product I was asking about is called Biooptimizers, a combo of 7 types of Magnesium. Claims it helps relieve chronic pain among other things.
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2 ReactionsNow that we have a product name, let's look at this like a scientist or researcher.
First, I looked for scientific research studies or scholarly articles of Bioptimizers magnesium, or any of their other supplements. Nothing!
Then I looked at scholar.google.com. Nothing!
Then I looked through pages and pages of the search "BIOptimizer Magnesium Breakthrough" on Google - all are sponsored, or ads from places like Amazon. Even the youtube reviews are sponsored.
Hmm, really looks like a lot of self-promotion. What do scholarly articles say about magnesium? A lot, actually, including that it MAY help reduce pain.
https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/8/2184
But, again, there are no scholarly reviews to demonstrate that there are significant difference between supplements containing one or two types of magnesium, and those containing more.
As to whether we really need a magnesium supplement at all, read here:
https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/magnesium-test
Remember, as with all substances, more is not necessarily better. And your food and other supplements provide magnesium as well. Magnesium in excess of what your body needs is excreted by the kidneys - in other words, you produce expensive urine. If you have stomach, lung or kidney conditions, you can have side effects like gastritis, diarrhea, respiratory distress or worsened kidney disease.
Magnesium can also interfere with the effectiveness of other medications, and in the case of cardio and blood pressure medications can cause side effects.
Now, one more check. What does a magnesium supplement cost from BIOptimizer? On their Web Site 60 capsules of 250mg magnesium each or a 30 day supply costs $27.20 (The label says one dose is 2 capsules) On Amazon, it is $39.00 In other words, about $1.00 to $1.30/day
What does a magnesium supplement cost from other sources? Looking at several from known supplement companies, 500 mg (from 2 to 8 types of magnesium) costs between $.10 and $.25 per day.
So, if I was thinking about supplementing magnesium, I would look at all the other things I eat and supplements I take to see if I already get enough. Then I would look at my prescriptions and see if it might interact with them. Finally, I would run it by my doc just to make sure I wasn't missing anything.
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6 ReactionsYou are a very good researcher! My original question was basically if anyone used magnesium for chronic pain. I appreciate the time you invested.
I always look for peer reviewed researched publish in scientific journals. There way to many quick fixes being hyped on social media and cable networks.
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1 ReactionMe too, Ken, but in this case I went down one research hole after another with no luck, except for the one article I cited - which was really about post-surgical pain.
But that doesn't stop dozens of "experts" trying to sell us on it. And I understand...nobody wants to be in pain, and most people want a "natural" way to deal with it, so will try almost anything.
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2 ReactionsI'm not sure why seven types of magnesium would be better than one or two. Oral magnesium is a bit calming, so if anxiety is a co-factor it might possibly be beneficial. I use liquid topical magnesium to cut down on back pain and to reduce jumpy and restless legs. Not a cure, but some clear benefits. Your results might vary. For my back I spray two squirts into my left hand and rub it onto my spine. For my legs I spray it directly onto my calves and rub it in. I don't use it everyday as i don't want to overdo it. I use the kind with no additives or other minerals, it's just magnesium. Best of luck to you. Pain is a jerk!
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4 ReactionsNever heard of magnesium spray to relieve pain in spine & legs. Worth a try.
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