Soft wave therapy for joint pain

Posted by koleke @koleke, Jul 7, 2024

Just wondering if anyone has tried Software Therapy? It's relatively new and claims to help the majority of those who use it. Basically it uses strong shockwaves to stimulate the body's ability to heal itself.. I had an introductory session but they want a lot of money to continue. My knee is bone on bone. Anyone familiar?

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FWIW, when you say your knee is bone-on-bone, it's very likely that a TKR would be best.

It all depends on your level of pain and how it's affecting your day-to-day life. If you can't walk without limping, or if you can't walk up or down stairs, it may be time for a replacement.

I've read stories here about stem cell therapies, gel injections, and PRP injections. They may offer short-term relief, but to my knowledge, none of them will regrow lost cartilage or damaged/missing menisci.

I suggest seeing a knee surgeon, a good surgeon who won't jump to TKR without a thorough evaluation, and possible PT. Ideally, find a surgeon with a solid med school and/or residency pedigree - Mayo, Cleveland Clinic. I suggest someone in his or her late 30s to late 40s.

PT helped me immensely after my first visit with the surgeon. Eventually though, the pain would not go away and I had both knees replaced in 2022. Best decisions of my life. I am pain free and in the gym 7 days/week. I work with a trainer, lift weights, and take spin classes for cardio.

All the best to you! Joe

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@heyjoe415

FWIW, when you say your knee is bone-on-bone, it's very likely that a TKR would be best.

It all depends on your level of pain and how it's affecting your day-to-day life. If you can't walk without limping, or if you can't walk up or down stairs, it may be time for a replacement.

I've read stories here about stem cell therapies, gel injections, and PRP injections. They may offer short-term relief, but to my knowledge, none of them will regrow lost cartilage or damaged/missing menisci.

I suggest seeing a knee surgeon, a good surgeon who won't jump to TKR without a thorough evaluation, and possible PT. Ideally, find a surgeon with a solid med school and/or residency pedigree - Mayo, Cleveland Clinic. I suggest someone in his or her late 30s to late 40s.

PT helped me immensely after my first visit with the surgeon. Eventually though, the pain would not go away and I had both knees replaced in 2022. Best decisions of my life. I am pain free and in the gym 7 days/week. I work with a trainer, lift weights, and take spin classes for cardio.

All the best to you! Joe

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Thank you for all of your information and experience. I do go to a osteo clinic and they tell me I'll know when it needs replaced...I'm trying to avoid it.

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@koleke

Thank you for all of your information and experience. I do go to a osteo clinic and they tell me I'll know when it needs replaced...I'm trying to avoid it.

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You're very welcome. And yes, avoid the TKR until you can't. The pain, if it gets to a point where you are always bothered by it, is the best sign that the TKR is due.

I actually felt better after my first visit with the surgeon. I started working with a personal trainer. We worked on the muscles supporting the knee, and I was walking without a lot of bother.

Then one day, I slipped while on a 6" tall balance beam. I didn't fall, but took a stiff-legged hit to my left knee. The pain was immediate and intense, so much so that I couldn't sleep on my left side. I scheduled the surgery and that was done in March of 2022. Four months later in July, I had my right knee replaced. In both knees, there was no cartilage left, just bone on bone.

One last thing, my surgeon did use the Stryker/Mako robotic assistant. "Robotic" is misleading. A CT scan creates a 3D image of the knee and that gets fed into a computer. The computer then guides the cutting arm which is held by the surgeon. Most of the real work is still done by the surgeon. The assistant doesn't allow any bone to be cut that shouldn't be cut.

I had a choice and I'm glad I did it. The only other ingredient for success is hard work after surgery, rehab 3X/day for 2 months. Best investment I've ever made!

I wish you all the best!

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I have a frozen leg due to scar tissue. After much research I decided to seek Software therapy. It was recommended that I have 16 treatments. Sadly it did not work. I am desperate to walk normally.
I was able to break the right scar tissue in my right leg but regular therapy order by the orthopedic surgeon did not work nor will he treat it like a frozen shoulder.
Has anyone found a way to break down the scar tissue?

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I have used Shockwave for myofascial trigger points. It helped. Not too sure it will help bone on bone. for your knee. I have one bad knee with severe osteoarthitis under the patella. PRP injections helped it plus exercise

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I developed neuropathy in my feet ten years ago due to aggressive chemotherapy. Recently I decided to looked into treatment options. I chose to go to Treasure Coast Spine and Sport where Dr. Magdolen Ziayan (Dr. Magi) had successfully treated me for a hip problem.

I met with Dr. Kianoosh Ziayan (Dr. Z) and he described their neuropathy protocol using red light laser and SoftWave therapies. I must admit I was a little skeptical but decided to give it a try. I felt improvement after one treatment and signed up for a series of ten additional treatments. The improvement from the first treatment only lasted a short time, but after the second treatment I saw additional and longer lasting improvement. Subsequent treatments were a little more intense and my feet were slightly uncomfortable for a several days after treatment but each time I saw a lessening of my neuropathy. I completed my treatments a month ago and I am very happy with the results. My feet used to feel like they were encased in thick wax. My feet can now feel hot, cold, pain, and soft touches. The treatment was a success. My neuropathy has lessened by 70%.

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@koleke

There are only testimonials. It's only been FDA approved for about 8 months according to the chiropractor...no long term evidence..

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Hi, I have had 5 of 9 Softwave treatments on my wrist, which is bone on bone. It has increased my range of motion. Also helps alleviate the pain. Unfortunately, it is expensive. Insurance does not cover it. At least mine does not. I was told that even after all your treatments, your body will continue to heal the area treated up to 16wks (give or take). It won't replace my Cartlidge, but it will or can support bone regrowth where the bone has been grinded away. Not sure if that's a good thing since I don't have Cartlidge. I started the treatments for a chance to heal and not have another useless failed surgery. Unfortunately, it will not fix me permanently (Solely my guess). I was never told by my ortho hand surgeon, of 5 years, that I have Osteoarthritis. Now my only option from him is to fuse my wrist and metal rods and plates. NO thank you!! I love to kayak! So, after all that, yes it helped me quite a bit with pain and range of motion/mobility. I could not wipe myself before the treatments, by the 2nd treatment I was good. Sorry to be so truthful, but that sucked. It's my dominant hand. Long term has yet to be determined. Good luck to you!

Any suggestions on options for bone-on-bone relief please feel free to let me know. Thank you..

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@gilster12

I’ve never heard of this treatment but I know that medical grade red light therapy has helped me with my shoulder and osteoarthritis pain. I’ve also heard stories of clients using it in their injured joints and they couldn’t believe the difference in just one session. There’s many red light therapies being offered and they can be spendy also so make sure your getting the right kind of red light therapy. Plus it’s good for you.
Check out this article.
https://www.rehabmart.com/post/red-light-therapy-devices-fda-approved/

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My PT recommended red light therapy on my next visit for sit bone bursitis and hamstring tendinitis. Can you tell me more about your experience with it? How long is each session? How many sessions? Discomfort? How long before you felt better? Where performed (doctor's office or physical therapy)?

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@doreenc

My PT recommended red light therapy on my next visit for sit bone bursitis and hamstring tendinitis. Can you tell me more about your experience with it? How long is each session? How many sessions? Discomfort? How long before you felt better? Where performed (doctor's office or physical therapy)?

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I did my red light at a tanning facility, that had just bought medical grade red light therapy beds fora few of there salons. They had a really good deal on them to entice people to try it, so I decided to see what all the fuss was about since it wasn’t costing me hardly anything and I've heard how they can help.
One night after work when I was in so much pain, I have bursitis in my shoulders and rheumatoid arthritis in my hands and wrists, I decided I’d try it to see if it gave me some relief. The sessions they offered were 20 minutes and it was very soothing and warm, although by the end of the 20 minutes it got pretty hot in there. I couldn’t believe how much better I felt because I was a real skeptic, if it hadn’t have been so cheap I would’ve never tried it. (I also worked for this place and got a even better deal), I only went a few times and saved those visits for when I really needed them so I can’t speak for any long term relief but it sure helped in the short term and I wish I could afford to keep going. Good luck to you and if I were you I’d do those treatments and hoping that it might give you some long term relief. God Bless

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