Diagnosed with Stage 4 pancreatic neuroendocrine metastasized to liver

Posted by ahilker @ahilker, May 24, 2023

Hi everyone. I am new to the group and wondered what kinds of symptoms others with Pnet go through. I was diagnosed just under a year ago and began the lanreotide infusion shot this past October. I went into my regular doctor last May for what I thought was a gall bladder infection. My doctor sent me in for a full abdomen CT and found a 3 cm mass on the tail of the pancreas. At the time my doctor told me we need to look at the mass first before looking into the gall bladder. After several PT scans and biopsies they can see small tumors covering my entire liver the largest being 1.1 cm. Since surgery was not an option, I started on the infusion. My nausea did not go away so I went back in to see about my gall bladder. Since then I feel 25 times worse. I’m exhausted all the time, very little appetite but no real weight loss, depression from having to rely on my family and pain around the pancreas and liver. I am grade 2 well functioning stage 4. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

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@kim1965

Our case also was stage 4 with too many tumors on liver to count. Not eligible for surgery. 2 years later after 9 cycles of CAP/ TEM, surgery on tail of pancreas, remove gall bladder, debulk as many tumors as possible. It reduced the tumors up to 70% on liver. We then followed up with 4 cycles of PRRT, and reduced them further. I’m not a doctor, but I’m saying to ask your team, fight for your health, and find the best course of treatment for your case. Let us know what questions you have. You got this! 👍

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I’m sorry but I’m not familiar with a lot of the abbreviations used, are any of those treatments Radiation related?

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CAP/TEM is a pill version of chemo. PRRT - is a radiation based treatment that attacks only the NET tumors. You can find more info online.

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@steven1953

I have the same cancer as you. I have been on lanreotide almost a year. So far I have mild stomach cramps and gas but the lanreotide hasn’t stopped the tumor growth in my liver. I go next week to the Mayo in Jacksonville to have a MRI and Pet scan. My oncologist has also suggested that I go on the Lutathera treatment. I haven’t made up my mind if this is the direction I want to go. I would like to know how other people did on this treatment. So far I feel pretty good overall, thanks to God, please keep us updated. I will keep everyone in my prayers. There is hope through Jesus. God Bless

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Hello @steven1953 and welcome to Connect. It is good to find out the experiences of others who have had Lutathera treatment as along as you understand that everyone reacts differently to any treatment. That said, we do have many members who have discussed this. Here are links to those discussions,
--Interested in hearing people's experience with PRRT
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/prrt-treatment/
--My husband has had his second PRRT and is doing well
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/my-husband-has-had-his-second-prrt-and-is-doing-well/
--Update Lutethera treatments is over
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/update-lutethera-treatment-is-over/?commentsorder=newest#chv4-comment-stream-header
In these discussions you will meet other members who have had this treatment. Feel free to click on "Reply" (under the post) to comment or ask questions about their experience.

You say that you haven't made up your mind yet about the treatment. Are there any specific concerns or questions you have? Also, will you upcoming Mayo appointment be your first consultation at a Mayo facility?

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@steven1953

I have the same cancer as you. I have been on lanreotide almost a year. So far I have mild stomach cramps and gas but the lanreotide hasn’t stopped the tumor growth in my liver. I go next week to the Mayo in Jacksonville to have a MRI and Pet scan. My oncologist has also suggested that I go on the Lutathera treatment. I haven’t made up my mind if this is the direction I want to go. I would like to know how other people did on this treatment. So far I feel pretty good overall, thanks to God, please keep us updated. I will keep everyone in my prayers. There is hope through Jesus. God Bless

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My prayers are with you on your decision.. I’ll definitely keep you posted on the results of my PET scan in August..

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@vinnie694

My prayers are with you on your decision.. I’ll definitely keep you posted on the results of my PET scan in August..

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Thank you, my prayers are with you and your family.

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@vinnie694

My condition is similar stage 4 due to it metastasizing to the liver, origin is the small intestines. I was also blessed with carcinoid syndrome, which is facial hot flashes. Originally started with Lanreotide which after 3 months didn’t stop the hot flashes, then I started ocreotide , which after a couple of days stopped the flashes. I’ve been on that for over 1 year. I too do have tiredness but I try to fight it by going to the gym, I still have stomach cramping and gas I was given a prescription to help that which I have not yet filled I believe it’s called (Creon ). I’m just so hesitant on starting another prescription. Last MRI showed no new tumors , but a few have grown. Scheduled for a PET scan next month to determine whether to let it go on the monthly shots or to do a radiation treatment called LUTATHERA. I am seeing a NET specialist at Mayo Jacksonville whom I trust entirely.. Don’t loose hope !

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@vinnie694 - I have been using Creon for more than a year. It is a mixture of pancreatic enzymes(which due to surgery my pancreas does not produce, or not enough, anyway). It helps digesting the foods we eat, instead of them going straight to waste. It is rather expensive, but I clearly am benefitting from it , e.g. no running to the bathroom 15 min after eating, and most of the vitamins and minerals we consume are staying in my body.

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@pavlina60

@vinnie694 - I have been using Creon for more than a year. It is a mixture of pancreatic enzymes(which due to surgery my pancreas does not produce, or not enough, anyway). It helps digesting the foods we eat, instead of them going straight to waste. It is rather expensive, but I clearly am benefitting from it , e.g. no running to the bathroom 15 min after eating, and most of the vitamins and minerals we consume are staying in my body.

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Thank you so much for the info..

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@pmberman

Hi all, I’m new to this forum and this condition. Started with GI pain and inconsistent stool about 8 weeks ago (maybe longer in retrospect). Then the flushing, palpitations, loss of appetite, weight loss, and just feeling weak and unwell. After seeing 4 doctors, I ended up going to Cleveland Clinic Weston, FL where they did (at my request) the 5-HIAA urine test and 64 CU Dotatate PET scan. The urine test came back positive and the PET lit up areas of my duodenum and it looks like a 4mm nodule in right lung with possible lymph involvement, although they actually told me the scan was normal!! (It’s not clearly). I have the textbook carcinoid syndrome symptoms as stated above. Unfortunately, because Cleveland Clinic does not have NET specialists, they are flying blind and I am having to tell them to what tests and scans I need so I can get the disease localized and treated somewhere that has a clue. This week I am going back to Cleveland Clinic to have an upper endoscopy with biopsies as well as an upper endoscopic ultrasound to look at pancreas, ducts etc. I am going to also demand MRIs and ultrasounds of the liver, lungs and pancreas. The PET didn’t show anything in the liver, but I don’t trust that because I’ve read a lot on this site about liver metastases being very small and numerous and hard to see on scans. I’ve also learned that you don’t get the carcinoid syndrome symptoms unless it’s in the liver and/or lungs. This has been a long, scary road that’s upended my life and I don’t feel I am dealing with experts which is costing me precious time. I have FL Blue insurance so I’m kind of stuck with what we have here. Any advice, thoughts and prayers would be welcomed. This isn’t what I expected at 56. It’s hard to function. PS - I’ve been thinking about going to Moffitt in Tampa, but they seem to only focus on GI, so if it’s in the liver or lung then not sure they can help? Mayo FL is out of network for my insurance, but I’d go there if it was better. Also even thinking about going to a true specialist like MD Anderson or Mayo MN and paying out of pocket. I’d have to sell our house to cover it but what’s a house with no life? Angry, sad and confused. Sorry to be such a downer.

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I see Dr Chauhan at UM in Miami and he is excellent and leading authority in NETs. If you are in Florida I highly recommend him. I’m stage 4 Grade 3 with Metastasis in the liver. Diagnosed 7 months ago!!! It’s hard to accept but I’m not giving up. Good luck to you!!

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@tomatlanta

Hello. I understand your plight to find the right care. My wife has a grade 2, stage 4 pancreatic Net diagnosed in April this year. We live in Georgia where there is good support for surgical NET treatment but no comprehensive NET program. The approach we took was to meet with a local medical oncologist who specializes in NET (30% of his practice) We then flew to NY for a consultation at Sloan Kettering. Dr. Reidy reviewed her CT, Pet dotatate, labs and conducted a thorough history and physical exam. She recommended a treatment approach that would not have been available as first line in Georgia. Her local oncologist was happy to implement that protocol and has coordinated nicely with Reidy. This approach may work for you at significantly lower cost than going fully out of network.

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I would appreciate the name of your Atlanta dr. I am recently diagnosed w metastatic neuroendocrine carcinoma in the liver. Thinking of 2nd opinion. Looking at MD Anderson or Mayo. Will add Sloan Kettering. What led you to Sloan Kettering. My email is jlrogers200@yahoo.com. Thank you for your assistance.

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@kim1965

Our case also was stage 4 with too many tumors on liver to count. Not eligible for surgery. 2 years later after 9 cycles of CAP/ TEM, surgery on tail of pancreas, remove gall bladder, debulk as many tumors as possible. It reduced the tumors up to 70% on liver. We then followed up with 4 cycles of PRRT, and reduced them further. I’m not a doctor, but I’m saying to ask your team, fight for your health, and find the best course of treatment for your case. Let us know what questions you have. You got this! 👍

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Thanks for sharing. I am recently diagnosed with metastatic neuroendocrine carcinoma. Where are you getting treatment? Did you get a second opinion? Any recommendations on 2nd opinions? Thanks.

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