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Has anyone with UC stopped responding to Entyvio?

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@lisag03
Another loong response. 😄

I expect if I was in your position I also would not be inclined to have a colectomy at this point.

Drs kept telling me "We treat to target," meaning they wanted to see remission in both clinical symptoms and endoscopic results. But I wouldn't start more advanced treatments like biologics until my clinical symptoms got worse.

Colectomy was added to the alternatives after Humira failed. And then when Entyvio failed and I ended up in the hospital a couple of times with severe dehydration, my GI dr was willing to continue trying drugs but noted that if I kept ending up in the hospital there would come a point where I would not have a choice.

So, at my request he gave me a referral to a colorectal surgeon for a consultation so I could be prepared in case I had to make a quick decision.
The CR surgeon was great. He patiently walked me through the basics of the alternative procedures, and when I had questions about life post-surgery, he gave me a referral for consultation with 2 WOCNs.

I guess they don't normally talk to patients until after they have decided on surgery, but the surgeon thought it was a good idea to explore in advance so I could make a quick informed decision if necessary.

I learned that a colectomy clearly was not Valhalla. My husband kept saying everybody LOVED their bags and it was the best decision they ever made. Well, the reality is he didn't know what he was talking about. There are a number of ongoing potential issues, and there are different types of ostomies (starting with colostomies v ileostomies), each with their own issues.

So, in 2021 I decided it was not something I wanted to do, and the surgeon agreed it was a reasonable decision.

But in 2023 I made the decision to go with the colectomy. It was not an improvement in quality of life since by then I had only 2 or 3 BMs per day on Rinvoq. With an ileostomy I empty the bag more like 8 - 10 times a day, though unlike UC I can control when I go. However, when I developed cancer it was the right choice for me.

My colon was basically shot by then. They tried to do the procedure laproscopicaly, but had to switch to a full mid-line cut mid-procedure. So even if they did get all of the identified cancer in the EMR, other precancerous spots were already developing, and I was probably looking at additional cancer in the short term.

If your dr is receptive to arranging an entirely informational consultation with a colorectal surgeon I would recommend it.

In the meantime I hope your dr will consider Rinvoq.

Good luck!

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Also, just FYR, my GI drs and the CR surgeon are at Phoenix Mayo.

@hardingv

Thank you for such a thoughtful response. I like the “target to treat” mentality. I am currently being overseen by both my GI and Phoenix Mayo GI. Both of my GI docs at Mayo have left and I now have a new one. I met with a colorectal surgeon at Mayo in 2022, and he did a colonoscopy and said that he would not recommend colectomy based on what he saw. He said as a surgeon, he just didn’t think I was at that point, but did recommend starting the biologic, which is when I started Entyvio. I started with the new Mayo GI in Arch, and he initially defaulted to colectomy talk, which caused me to burst into tears and completely stressed me out. At the end of our meeting, he said that they are continuing to learn about UC and cancer, and that the numbers aren’t nearly as high as what they thought in the past. He agreed that each patient has different needs and lifestyles, and is in agreement with my decision to hold off on surgery. But that meeting with him caused me so much stress and anxiety that I went into a brief period of flare. I meet with him again in a few months and he will do my next scope.
I appreciate you validating my thoughts, because I feel like those in the medical field don’t get where I’m coming from.
When I had my cancer surgery, I met with the ostomy team, and we spent a lot of time going over care. It was so overwhelming, but there was a good possibility of his I would need a temporary one. They marked me for one just in case, but I woke up from both surgeries without one, and was thankful because I just wasn’t mentally ready to deal with chemo and all that entailed. Ultimately, it was a blessing because chemo absolutely wrecked my GI aystem. It was worse than any type of flare I’ve gone through, and I would have probably needed hospitalized had I not developed an obstruction. That was after only two treatments.

Clinically, you wouldn’t know that I have UC. All lab work is perfect, and my weight remains at a stable 116-118. When I went through chemo, I was down to 100 pounds and felt horrible. Constant diarrhea and couldn’t be away from a bathroom.

You are so kind and helpful. I meet with my own GI tomorrow and I will bring up Rinvoq.

Thank you!!!