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@mddrm

This post is mostly for @birdman (if still paying attention to this thread) and @colleenyoung

Background first: My wife has been diagnosed recently with metastatic triple positive breast cancer (MBC). A large unilateral pleural effusion is what prompted seeking care. She had Stage III breast cancer in 2014 (ER+, PR+, HER-), age 47, with some cancer also found in right arm lymph nodes. Mastectomy and chemo. NED for 9+ years. The cancer and treatment kicked in her Type II diabetes (first started as gestational in 1998 then 2002) and early menopause. She's had—and hates!—hot flashes ever since. In 2015 she started Metformin but went off of it in late 2019 or early 2020, because in spring of 2019 she learned enough about diabetes to know she needed to radically alter her diet. Initially very low carb and high healthy fat. Her labs eventually showed her to be non-diabetic (though we understand once there, always there). All other labs have been beautiful. Non-smoker; no alcohol. Over the last year or so she moved more into true Keto and also carnivore, and has also been doing intermittent fasting and 2-4 day fasts for longer than that. She has been that rare exception who has had the discipline to not indulge in sugars, carbs, processed foods (read "poison"). And yet here we are with MBC.

She will not be doing chemo this go-round. We have seen the survival curves and she's just not interested in using her remaining time going through that kind of treatment. But...

She won't be giving up on the diet and we are considering the research and protocols suggested by Dr. Seyfried. Seeing as how you, @birdman, did what I am or was about to do, i.e. research it, will you be able to point me in the right direction to go directly to some understanding about the combination of diet and the drug DON(sp)? As you said:

"As for me, the deeper I dove into it, the *less* likely I think this to be a practical 'cure' for cancer. There are still many good reasons to utilize a Keto diet for health reasons, and that is what I do it for. Any benefit for my melanoma is 'extra'."

It seems we are on the same page, not looking for a "cure" and outright rejecting the obviously kooky stuff, and yet if there is enough to Seyfried's work and trying something along those lines, then living a bit longer without chemo, slowing the progression, it seems my wife is halfway there because of her dietary discipline.

Also, now more for @colleenyoung (or maybe others following this): my wife also has zero interest in leaving her home to chase down treatments. She is comfortable enough with her mortality that we won't be traveling to find a treatment. If she's going to be sick she'd rather be sick at home with her family and friends nearby. As such, how might one go about finding a legit (integrative?) doc in our area (SW Virginia) who would be willing to explore this with us? Does Mayo connect with docs away from their hospitals in such a fashion? My wife's oncologist is clearly standard-of-care oriented, pushing the chemo and other drugs.

Thanks.

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As far as finding oncologists who are knowledgeable & willing to at least ‘consider’ the research results Dr Seyfried & others are seeing, I would look for Functional Medicine Oncologist or a Functional Medicine trained Naturopath that might know of a referral in your area. Hope this helps.

@mddrm, you've articulated your wife's journey concisely and clearly. I appreciate the backgrounder.

Diet, exercise, and healthy living have been proven to reduce the risk of cancer as well as reduce the risk of it returning elsewhere in the body (metastasis). But lifestyle choices or diet regimens are not a prevention guarantee. I wish they were. It is a gut punch when one does all the "right" things and cancer returns anyway. This gets into a dangerous mindset of blaming oneself or having others accuse the patient that they didn't do enough. It can also give birth to charletans who claim to have the curative diet or supplement, etc, making unfounded promises. Not that you or wife are doing that. Sometimes people do.

It's obvious that your and your wife's approach with low-carb, healthy fat and ketogenic diet along with intermittent fasting helped reverse her diabetes and no doubt improved her health. Perhaps it even delayed the return of cancer. Will we ever know? Like you, I choose to believe her dietary discipline gives her a leg up for the journey ahead.

Like your wife, my father choose not to have chemo when his colorectal cancer returned. Our family supported that choice. We were granted twice as long with him than was predicted. Towards the end, diet consisted of anything he wanted 🙂

I strongly encourage you to look into palliative care as well as integrative oncology. I see that Virginia Oncology has recently added integrative cancer to there practice https://blog.virginiacancer.com/integrative-medicine-coming-to-virginia-oncology-associates

Is your wife currently a Mayo Clinic patient?