Post Laparoscopic surgery for gallbladder and umbilical hernia

Posted by libertyusa @libertyusa, Jul 18, 2019

Just had surgery 3 weeks ago. I am a healthy 70-year old female. I have felt fine throughout; however I have this tiny pain every day, but not all day. What I am imagining is that a staple inside the area is pricking the area. This is only a thought and I cannot quite describe it. When I press around the belly button it does not feel worse, but there is some hardness to the tissue. Could this be stitches healing? It is only in one spot. I called the nurse and she was quite dismissive saying: "you cannot call about every little thing; you are still healing; you should not play golf and a racquet sport (but the surgeon said I could - I have not played these sports yet but I do work out in the gym); I told her the surgeon said I had a little redness irritation around the navel but she said he did not put it in his notes !!" - Well, he is the one who brought it to my attention !? The concern is that this little "pin prick" feeling does not get better - it stays the same. The surgery report says I have Tycron stitches. I guess I should demand to see the surgeon or go for a second opinion or get an X-ray? (I have asked questions throughout, as that is my M.O.).

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I’m going to be 63 in Sept . Feel like 95 most days but look 55 . Ugh

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Oh I hear you. I feel as old as mathusalem ??? that's about 104 isn't it? I used to think I looked younger than my 64 years (65 in August) but not these days. It has taken a huge toll on my mind, my body, my soul.

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Oh I hear you. I feel as old as mathusalem ??? that's about 104 isn't it? I used to think I looked younger than my 64 years (65 in August) but not these days. It has taken a huge toll on my mind, my body, my soul.

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104 ! That’s funny statement.
You are right on all points by the way .
I can barely eat food and starve all day . Can’t do protein drinks or ensure or anything like it . I’m not losing weight , after all these years . I’m exhausted beyond belief.
My stupid dental hygienist who I’ve never had before screwed up my mouth under my dental implant so bad it’s been throbbing for over a week!
Did something to my knee and was limping and earring soft knee wrap for 9 days .
Still not all better ! I’m on the toilet with IBS- D 5-6 x day . Plus all else I mentioned .
What a shit show for sure . My poor husband too . We’ve been married ( my 2 nd ) 20 years. This started 10 years ago ! My kids grown ( raised in NE Ohio ), both live and are married in Boca area near each other last 10 years. We are 2 hrs north .
One Son 35 (36 in Sept )one daughter almost 32 . Both got married in 2022 . My daughter is 11 weeks pregnant!! We found out recently. So everyone says . Oh that will make you feel much better . I’m thrilled to be a Nana in Jan to first grandchild but no it’s not going to cure me for sure .
People don’t understand the impact this has on daily life . I have no life but my house and dogs and hubby and texting 💬 some old friends and looking at social media and listening to audiobooks and some tv .
I rarely can even go out except in my yard . Maybe to grocery store 🏬 w/ hubby and Dr.appts if I have any . I’m about to give up on medical professionals. Praying 🙏.

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104 ! That’s funny statement.
You are right on all points by the way .
I can barely eat food and starve all day . Can’t do protein drinks or ensure or anything like it . I’m not losing weight , after all these years . I’m exhausted beyond belief.
My stupid dental hygienist who I’ve never had before screwed up my mouth under my dental implant so bad it’s been throbbing for over a week!
Did something to my knee and was limping and earring soft knee wrap for 9 days .
Still not all better ! I’m on the toilet with IBS- D 5-6 x day . Plus all else I mentioned .
What a shit show for sure . My poor husband too . We’ve been married ( my 2 nd ) 20 years. This started 10 years ago ! My kids grown ( raised in NE Ohio ), both live and are married in Boca area near each other last 10 years. We are 2 hrs north .
One Son 35 (36 in Sept )one daughter almost 32 . Both got married in 2022 . My daughter is 11 weeks pregnant!! We found out recently. So everyone says . Oh that will make you feel much better . I’m thrilled to be a Nana in Jan to first grandchild but no it’s not going to cure me for sure .
People don’t understand the impact this has on daily life . I have no life but my house and dogs and hubby and texting 💬 some old friends and looking at social media and listening to audiobooks and some tv .
I rarely can even go out except in my yard . Maybe to grocery store 🏬 w/ hubby and Dr.appts if I have any . I’m about to give up on medical professionals. Praying 🙏.

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You have it so bad Rozy. I really don’t know how you’ve managed so long. It’s just such an awful existence. There’s no joy when one hurts ALL THE TIME. For sure no one can understand it unless they have it. It’s just such a life sucker. Sucks every ounce of life out of a person - there’s nothing left. I pray for us both. Let this nightmare end God. Please.😭😭😭

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Thank you baguette. I am trying to remember to bend my knees but a lifetime of doing otherwise is a hard habit to break. I slipped up 3 times this week and suffered the consequences. Sure hope I can reprogram my brain. It certainly makes the difference when I do. How are you doing? Are you having acid reflux? Do you take something for it?

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I was on omeprazole for four years because of GERD and weaned off after receiving a chronic kidney disease and severe osteoporosis diagnosis, which I believe came from using the PPI. The CKD turned out to be "merely" an acute kidney injury since the kidney values went from stage 3 CKD to just barely into the reference range after stopping the drug. The OP was a misdiagnosis. But I am glad to be off the drug because it did damage my microbiome and it took a year for everything to start settling down. For me, doing the low acid, whole food diet works; it takes a while for healing, and it's a lot of work, but I like my kidneys to function well so I do it. I still get reflux if I go off the diet, but it's nothing like it was. I still get chest pains, which I guess is from the hernia, when I sit a certain way, or do abdominal exercise unless my stomach is empty, or play pickleball too soon after eating a meal. Again, the number of incidences is not as high as it was. I use Gaviscon Advance alginate if I think I need it before exercising or going to bed, it creates a plug at the top of the stomach to keep the acid in. If you haven't already, you may want to google Dr. Aviv and Dr. Kaufman to get free info on diet and lifestyle choices that can help people with reflux. For instance, I sleep sitting up in bed (other people just elevate their head). Because of my age I am taking a mobility class, which is like ongoing physical therapy. It teaches participants how to use their body properly. Bending properly at the knees is one of those exercises. Good luck reprogramming your brain! I too would reflux if I bent over (as well as possibly get chest pain). You can do it!

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I've got the perfect storm. Is anyone suffering multiple issues? I am going through the change so dropping estrogen is making things pretty miserable, I have a bad gallbladder so I cannot eat any fat, I have gastritis so am on a strict diet so it can heal, and my hernia tore a larger hole when it slipped up through the opening after I stupidly drank a full glass of juice and then bent over for an hour weeding the garden. I am medicine/vitamins sensitive so I have opted to take Pepcid AC for the gerd but it does cause me to have anxiety and depression. I try to sit tall and straight but do slouch a little which forces the stomach up so easily and then the reflux comes on like crazy. I can't catch a break. Anyone have any suggestions of any kind? I will listen to all of your advice as I just do not trust the doctors. ER doc refused to listen to me and gave me a ppi which caused such a severe heart pain I immediately refused to take any more.

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I took various PPIs daily for over a decade but quit almost two years ago. I developed microscopic colitis from these drugs. I needed Famotidine for a year to acclimate to life without PPIs. Now I control Gerd by avoiding food and drinks that are offenders. I also had to wean off benadryl-based sleep aids and switch to melatonin. Which took a while but now is actually better.

For me, a lot of these drugs are what I call lifestyle meds .. eat what you want if you take this pill. But there’s a price.

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I took various PPIs daily for over a decade but quit almost two years ago. I developed microscopic colitis from these drugs. I needed Famotidine for a year to acclimate to life without PPIs. Now I control Gerd by avoiding food and drinks that are offenders. I also had to wean off benadryl-based sleep aids and switch to melatonin. Which took a while but now is actually better.

For me, a lot of these drugs are what I call lifestyle meds .. eat what you want if you take this pill. But there’s a price.

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Ten years pb! That’s so crazy. Docs know that ppi’s are only supposed to be used for 2 weeks. There are a couple of docs that made headlines in the States a few years back because they refused to give anybody a ppi prescription. They said they were downright dangerous and they are. Because I’m med sensitive I reacted bad to them and so could not take them. Probably saved my life. I’m thrilled that you are off all meds pb. Just thrilled. It gives me hope. I have been watching some videos from Pam Fox and she makes a lot of sense. She says to breathe into your diaphragm to allow room for the stomach to drop down so I will be trying that. I noticed how tight my stomach is. It;s always clenched.

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Yes I am med sensitive to a lot of medications .
That med I did not have side effects from .
I’m on my 6 th Gastro Dr in 2 states , NC and FL now . They all stink . No one can fix me . I’ve done all my own research and tried so many different supplements and even holistic treatments. Yes I have many diagnoses but they also say some is Functional and they can’t fix those issues .
My latest Gastro Dr is an hr away and I just did yet another Endoscopy & Colonoscopy w/ biopsies. Same 6/7 things wrong . They did just find I have borderline Crohn’s but my Dr won’t acknowledge it or try me on any of the treatments for it .
She only put me on an antidepressant in Oct that I took 6 months.
I’m so freaking frustrated like you ! Your husband really needs at least bloodwork done ✔️ . That’s a long time not to see any Dr! Do baseline testing too .
I wish you well. Life is so hard being chronic.

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Rozy, I need to talk to you. I seem to be having an ah ha moment. I’ve been researching so many things and come across a lot of people with our problem. Last night as I was crying in pain yet again, I was asking God why so much misery and pain in this life and I came across yet another video about hiatal hernia. It’s like a light bulb went off. Please don’t tune out, listen for one minute, please. What can it hurt to try this. You;ve nothing to lose.
Okay - so I think that it’s the hernia that is the root cause. It doesn’t seem to matter what size it is in all the people I’ve listened to. If you have one it causes gastritis, it causes reflux, if it’s not aligned then one can’t swallow right, etc. Look up how to do diaphragm breathing. There is a lady who is called Pam Fox and I really think she’s got the answer. There are exercises that you can do to pull it down from the diaphragm and then there are exercises that tighten up the diaphragm muscle to keep the hernia down. Along with eating good, healthy foods and doing these exercises one can live a normal life. I would still get checked out to see if you have h-pylori which can cause a proliferation of bad bacteria which can cause a lot of our problems, but I would start doing the diaphragm breathing right now. I;ve started. It’s hard at first because we are chest breathers, not stomach breathers. But as soon as I feel tense I notice that I’m clenching my stomach so I make myself relax and do some deep stomach breathing. There are stomach maneuvers but I have to research more on these. The breathing is doable. It can take 2 months but it could also be quicker. Please, please, please give this a try. I hate that you are in so much pain and for so long. My prayers are for you to be given a new lease on life and me too. Huge hugs friend. Here’s to a new day. I will keep you posted on my success. Please keep me posted on yours. That would really make my day great.

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Rozy, I need to talk to you. I seem to be having an ah ha moment. I’ve been researching so many things and come across a lot of people with our problem. Last night as I was crying in pain yet again, I was asking God why so much misery and pain in this life and I came across yet another video about hiatal hernia. It’s like a light bulb went off. Please don’t tune out, listen for one minute, please. What can it hurt to try this. You;ve nothing to lose.
Okay - so I think that it’s the hernia that is the root cause. It doesn’t seem to matter what size it is in all the people I’ve listened to. If you have one it causes gastritis, it causes reflux, if it’s not aligned then one can’t swallow right, etc. Look up how to do diaphragm breathing. There is a lady who is called Pam Fox and I really think she’s got the answer. There are exercises that you can do to pull it down from the diaphragm and then there are exercises that tighten up the diaphragm muscle to keep the hernia down. Along with eating good, healthy foods and doing these exercises one can live a normal life. I would still get checked out to see if you have h-pylori which can cause a proliferation of bad bacteria which can cause a lot of our problems, but I would start doing the diaphragm breathing right now. I;ve started. It’s hard at first because we are chest breathers, not stomach breathers. But as soon as I feel tense I notice that I’m clenching my stomach so I make myself relax and do some deep stomach breathing. There are stomach maneuvers but I have to research more on these. The breathing is doable. It can take 2 months but it could also be quicker. Please, please, please give this a try. I hate that you are in so much pain and for so long. My prayers are for you to be given a new lease on life and me too. Huge hugs friend. Here’s to a new day. I will keep you posted on my success. Please keep me posted on yours. That would really make my day great.

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Thank you , I sometimes do those deep breathing exercises with my CALM app . I have been checked many times abd tested for H-plyori and SIBO . Always negative.
I made my Dr. put me on Xifaxan antibiotic for it anyway ( 3 diff x in 6 years).
That was a long time ago . Haven’t been on it again in over 5 years.
The only time I thought it may have helped a little was very first time (14 days you take it , or 10 ).
Didn’t work the 2 x after that .
I will google that lady’s name you suggested.
It’s so sad 😞 to live chronically sick 🤢 daily .
I too , cry 😢 and ask God why and why for so long , a decade lost .
I pray 🙏 one day he heals us . I know he’s busy solving much bigger issues but still . Xo

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I am starting with osteo too. It's in my neck. Getting that dreaded hump. Can be painful some days too. Glad that they found out for you otherwise you could of had permanent damage, like in your kidneys.
I'm 64. I guess that makes me on the old side but I have seen them give surgery to 70 and 80 year olds. You would think they would want to do it when one was younger than that and had a better chance.
Canada is the second highest taxed in the world. Inflation is so bad these days that business has dropped for the last 3 months straight. I can't blame the people. Having a roof over your head and food in your stomachs is more important than buying some little do da.
Both ends - now that's not funny. I had that a long time ago and had to stay home from work for like a month. Never sure what had caused it but my boss at the time told me to put a diaper on and get back to work. I'm sure karma will get her for that remark. People have no idea what another person suffers with. It cost nothing to be kind. You just never know. Magnesium is a good thing. I use the topical one as I have enough trouble putting ANYTHING in this body without a reaction.
You are so not alone. I have met so many people suffering just like us. It's insane how they cannot do a better job at fixing this. Over a billion people suffer reflux. All over the world. There is a swedish doctor I believe who specializes in the stomach who created a new device called RefluxStop. It looks so darn promising. If I had the money I would go over there and have the operation. It's some little gadget put into a pouch at the top of the stomach and it stops ALL reflux. They repair the hernia at the same time. And it doesn't restrict the esophagus so no worries about vomiting or not being able to swallow food. Why can we not have that here. Maybe if enough of us prod our gastro docs they will look into it. I've been trying all week to get the capsule endoscopy. Cannot find anyone in Ottawa. Might have to go to Montreal to get it done. I tell you, the hoops we have to jump through to get things done. I'm also trying to get a ct scan as its safer than an endoscopy but if I do it at a private clinic it will cost me. The wait time here is like 18 weeks otherwise. I might just have to do it myself.

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I guess the treatment we seek depends on ones comfort level with different modalities. The last colonoscopy I had was performed when it was because of some (in hindsight) artifact on (prior) imaging. The Endoscopist saw nothing, so I'm inclined to skip the radiology suite in the future!

If I had the means I'd check out Europe too!

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Thank you , I sometimes do those deep breathing exercises with my CALM app . I have been checked many times abd tested for H-plyori and SIBO . Always negative.
I made my Dr. put me on Xifaxan antibiotic for it anyway ( 3 diff x in 6 years).
That was a long time ago . Haven’t been on it again in over 5 years.
The only time I thought it may have helped a little was very first time (14 days you take it , or 10 ).
Didn’t work the 2 x after that .
I will google that lady’s name you suggested.
It’s so sad 😞 to live chronically sick 🤢 daily .
I too , cry 😢 and ask God why and why for so long , a decade lost .
I pray 🙏 one day he heals us . I know he’s busy solving much bigger issues but still . Xo

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I think Pam Fox said that you have to do those exercises every day. The belly breathing is hard but I’m getting more used to it. When I tried the rib rollover it hurt. So I lightened up because she said to go lightly. I’ve been doing it for 2 days now and today has been a much better day. I heard my stomach gurgling so I think it’s shifting. She said you will definitely know when it drops. Could take a week or 2 or longer but I’m going to keep doing it. This could be a game changer. Will keep you posted. Xxx

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