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@happyjack , I'm glad your doctor wants to talk some more before jumping into surgery. I don't recall if you had PET scan or other imaging to search for metastasis to other areas; if there are mets, that usually rules out (and spares you from) a fairly major surgery.

If you are getting surgery, consider the hospital's record in the GI specialty and particularly this surgeon's reputation and number of procedures. Pancan.org can help you assess that. It's not just the Whipple that's a surgical challenge, but the next week (at least) of monitoring for leaks and other complications. The hospital GI recovery floor and staff should also have substantial experience in dealing with Whipple patients. If not, you may wish to consider a more established "Center of Excellence" hospital for pancreatic cancer.

If you do get surgery:

1) Ask them to save as much tissue as possible. It will be handy to have if you need it tested or cloned later for a clinical trial.

2a) Ask them to send some of the tissue directly to Tempus for next-generation sequencing (DNA testing) to identify mutations in the tissue. PanCan.org can help pay for this as part of their KYT (Know Your Tumor) program. This will help outline potential post-surgery treatments for you without the delay of starting later.

2b) There will almost definitely be some type of "adjuvant" (after surgery) treatment; likely chemo, radiation, or both. But they would likely wait until you're fully recovered from surgery (6-8 weeks) before starting. Ask them if there's a clinical trial (such as vaccine trials) you can get into first instead of going the harsh chemo route. They may not have trials within their institution, but ask them to look outside as well. The AMPLIFY-7P study might be one option, depending on what's revealed by DNA testing of your tumor.

3) Ask them to send some of the tissue directly to Natera Corp. for construction of a "Signatera" test personalized to your tumor's DNA. This enables them to use and repeat a simple blood test later down the road to see if cancer (Minimal Residual Disease) has come back or monitor treatment effectiveness over time if it has.

4) Expect about a week in the hospital, and a couple days of feeling like you've been punched in the gut. All other blood parameters being normal, they will probably require you to poop or at least pass gas before discharge, to be sure your bowels are returning to normal function.

5) Ask for an enzyme prescription before you go home. With half your pancreas gone, you'll have challenges digesting food normally. Fats may be the most difficult, but that's sometimes the first comfort food a patient resorts to when going home. If you're seeing greasy, orange stool (steatorrhea, kind of like diarrhea) after a bowel movement, that's a sign you're not digesting fats sufficiently. It sucks to suffer for a month and wait for follow-up before a doctor tells you of this problem, so just ask them to send you home with enough enzymes to try for a week or two to help balance out the problem.

6) Depending on how much pancreas they take, you may also become diabetic (similar to Type 1, not producing enough insulin to compensate for sugars you eat). Make sure to ask them about monitoring and managing this. Instead of having to poke your finger multiple times per day, endocrinologists sometimes have "trial" or "demo" CGMs (Continuous Glucos Monitors) you can attach to your arm and monitor 24/7 via an app on your phone for 7-10 days. The Dexcom G6 (and now G7) have served me well.

7) Plan on taking it easy for at least 6 weeks after the surgery. It's not an easy recovery. Sometimes the digestive issues might surprise you, including sudden wakeups in the middle of the night. Sleep disruption does not help with recovery! You might also want to buy a pack of adult diapers, just in case...

I hope this helps. Wishing you the best with it all!

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Thank you for the information. A little more background on me. I have been on Creon for 3 months. I always had trouble with constipation and after a colonoscopy and Eno I started having steatorrhea last December. Gastro wanted to do another colonoscopy and I was sure this was upper not lower. Finally had a stool sample result with enzymes less than 50. Less than 200 was listed as being severe. My diabetes has been more difficult, and I have been getting weaker. Lots of muscle loss and stools have been floating (from fat) for about a year. I have lost about 30 lbs. without trying. Actually, I have been eating more calories trying to stop muscle loss. After going on Creon 3 months ago I have been pressing my gastro to check my pancreas. No luck. When I was in the hospital last week my gastro's partner came by and she was still insistent that I was just old (67) and my pancreas stopped making enzymes from aging. So, all the indications have been there but were not acted on even with repeated requests by me. And yes, I will be changing gastroenterologist.

There is a Cancer Center of excellence in KC with KU med. I have been up there to KU med on another medical problem. KU does even have a hospital down in Wichita near where I live. I am really not wanting to go to KC. It is a long 3-hour drive and lots of traffic when you get close. Really a full 8 hours driving time from my house to the doctor's office round trip. I am not sure that I will be able to make those drives in my current health. Drives across town are even difficult for me. If there is some outreach at the KU medical center in Wichita I will see if I can get on with them. Not sure any hospital near me has a GI recovery floor. Maybe a part of a floor. Last week at the hospital the ER had hall beds. Not enough rooms in the ER so people were parked out in the hall. Staff is really over worked. I was put on the Cardio floor when I was admitted so you really get only what is available. The staff were really great though. This was not at the KU hospital though and one thing I have to ask the surgeon next week. I have reached out and have information that this surgeon is very good. Most likely the best in town for this.

Again, I do not and will not pile up a bunch of medical debt for treatment of a fatal decease with a short survival time. I will call KU Monday to get some information from them. Mainly if they accept the Medicare approved amount. And what if any non-covered charges there are. That is also on my list for my local surgeon. Surviving the surgery is another thing that I am concerned about. I'd like to find out about diet supplements. I am still losing muscle and need something to help the Creaon with the fat. The Creon helps but does not solve the problem and I still have to watch my fat intake and limit it. Seems I need something other than just Creon. I am not getting what I need from fat, and I think that will make healing and recovery much more difficult. Most likely a longer hospital stay due to slow healing.

Thing is that I cannot wait long. If the cancer spreads, then there is very little to do and even less survival time. I cannot have an MRI. At least the hospital I was at refused to do one. So, anything going forward will have to be done without an MRI. I will ask what my options are other than surgery. As well as if I have surgery if they can correct things so I can have an MRI.

Thank you for the really good information.