Hesitant to begin drug treatment for my osteoporosis

Posted by artistel81 @artistel81, May 14 6:30am

Hello! My first post here as a new member. I am an active 69 year old female who was diagnosed many years ago with osteopenia but now have osteoporosis. When diagnosed with osteopenia I gave several drugs a try. I had side effects from all the oral choices I took, and when giving myself Forteo shots, broke out in hives all over my body. After that, I decided I would take my chances and go the natural route to keep my bones healthy with diet, consistent exercise and Calcium/Vitamin supplements. Fast forward to present time my last bone density scan was worrisome, (a -4,4 T score in my spine). An endocrinologist strongly suggested treatment, (shots or infusions), but I still fear side effects. I am currently trying to educate and empower myself by researching all options. I am already a bit overwhelmed with so many differing opinions. Drugs or no drugs?! The possible serious side effects of drug treatment still frighten me. Has anyone here diagnosed with more advanced osteoporosis, remained fracture free? Am I at such a high risk that I’m doomed without drug treatment? Thank you in advance for any advice, experiences, etc.

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@wilkenl

Hi, Ripley,

It was my endocrinologist who recommended I not use any of the drugs that are parathyroid hormone based, e.g., Forteo and Tymlos. "Abaloparatide (Tymlos) is a daily injectable parathyroid hormone..." (from the AAFP website). She didn't want the medication to essentially confuse my parathyroid. I think her thinking is that if the parathyroid senses parathyroid hormone in the body, it will stop doing its work (that's my interpretation of what she said - it's been about six months since we discussed it, so my memory isn't necessarily precise).

Have you discussed using Evenity with your doctor? It might be a better choice in your situation, as the Tymlos website itself says you should talk with your doctor if your calcium levels are too high. If you do go forward with it, make sure you are aware of the side effects associated with the high calcium level, so you can alert your doctor if you experience them.

I spoke with my cardiologist regarding Evenity as there are potential heart/stroke related side effects associated with it (very small risk). My coronary calcium score is very high, which is why we had the concern. It's never a bad idea to make sure that all of your doctors know that you're planning to start one of these drugs.

By the way, my doctor plans for me to start Reclast as soon as I stop Evenity. If I don't, then whatever gains I get from the medication will be lost. Like most folks here, I feel that I am between a rock and a hard place. I've never broken a bone in my life (knock on wood), and I'm still relatively young (66), so having to take such serious medications to protect my back is a tough pill to swallow.

Good luck with your journey!

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It sounds like you have a very wise Dr. I will discuss the parathyroid issues with my Dr. How long have you been on Evenity and what is your experience with it, such as side effects etc? Is sounds like you will take Evenity for 6 months, is that correct? Regarding Reclast after Evenity, did you and your Dr ever discuss using Fosamax instead of Reclast? I am concerned about the side effects of Reclast and would prefer to take Fosamax since it's a weekly pill vs a yearly injection. I feel like you, with no options that are good. Thank you so much for all the information.

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@artscaping

Good evening, @ripley; nice to hear from you. Let me see if I can remember the answers to your questions. I am struggling a bit with MCI these days. I used the online appointment link on the home page for Connect. I received a phone response from my application within three days, and the process began. Essentially, I was asking for a consultation about my osteoporosis medication. My application was accompanied by support from my PCP at another institution. I have been with her for about ten years now, and we have developed a meaningful and helpful relationship based on trust, extensive support, and personal regard.

So now, I see a Mayo Clinic medical provider in endocrinology for Osteoporosis and bone health. I have also been accepted for radiculopathy and small fiber neuropathy care. So far, everything that is appropriate goes back and forth between the two institutions through the patient portals with similar software. We also use video connections when reviewing test analyses.

Now ....for the Tymlos and Fosamax experience. Initially, I was directed to use Bonniva and found it problematic regarding jaw pain and discomfort. I pushed for a change to Tymlos, which was much better to manage and had no side effects. After 24 months, I was told that Prolia was to be my next adventure. It was actually a hefty challenge with multiple side effects. That was when I requested a consultation with the Mayo Clinic, and this helpful relationship of acceptance and cooperation evolved. It will be two years in July 2024, and I have just made my DEXAScan appointment and a follow-up virtual meeting with my endocrinologist.

I hope that helps, my dear. If you have other questions, please don't hesitate to send them along.

May you be safe, protected, and free from inner and outer harm.
Chris

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You said your application to the Mayo "was accompanied by support from my PCP at another institution". So did your PCP, in a sense, refer you to the Mayo? Or did you just send a request by yourself without any info or back up from your PCP?

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@artscaping

Good evening, @ripley; nice to hear from you. Let me see if I can remember the answers to your questions. I am struggling a bit with MCI these days. I used the online appointment link on the home page for Connect. I received a phone response from my application within three days, and the process began. Essentially, I was asking for a consultation about my osteoporosis medication. My application was accompanied by support from my PCP at another institution. I have been with her for about ten years now, and we have developed a meaningful and helpful relationship based on trust, extensive support, and personal regard.

So now, I see a Mayo Clinic medical provider in endocrinology for Osteoporosis and bone health. I have also been accepted for radiculopathy and small fiber neuropathy care. So far, everything that is appropriate goes back and forth between the two institutions through the patient portals with similar software. We also use video connections when reviewing test analyses.

Now ....for the Tymlos and Fosamax experience. Initially, I was directed to use Bonniva and found it problematic regarding jaw pain and discomfort. I pushed for a change to Tymlos, which was much better to manage and had no side effects. After 24 months, I was told that Prolia was to be my next adventure. It was actually a hefty challenge with multiple side effects. That was when I requested a consultation with the Mayo Clinic, and this helpful relationship of acceptance and cooperation evolved. It will be two years in July 2024, and I have just made my DEXAScan appointment and a follow-up virtual meeting with my endocrinologist.

I hope that helps, my dear. If you have other questions, please don't hesitate to send them along.

May you be safe, protected, and free from inner and outer harm.
Chris

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Who did you see @ Mayo Rochester? I’m struggling also with severe osteoporosis. Evinity has been recommended, but I am not wanting to take it.

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@ripley

You said your application to the Mayo "was accompanied by support from my PCP at another institution". So did your PCP, in a sense, refer you to the Mayo? Or did you just send a request by yourself without any info or back up from your PCP?

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Good evening; thanks for responding. You could be my memory supplier. My role as a Connect mentor in bone health was used to support my application. I let the department's official members select my specialist. I also completed the online application, which is found in the border space with "Request an appointment." I followed that application precisely.
I also discussed this request with my PCP from the other clinic, and she wrote a supportive note.
She was aware of my history of disappointment with the current endocrinologist.

Anything else? Hope that helps you follow the path.
May you be safe, protected and free from inner and outer harm.
Chris

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@ripley

It sounds like you have a very wise Dr. I will discuss the parathyroid issues with my Dr. How long have you been on Evenity and what is your experience with it, such as side effects etc? Is sounds like you will take Evenity for 6 months, is that correct? Regarding Reclast after Evenity, did you and your Dr ever discuss using Fosamax instead of Reclast? I am concerned about the side effects of Reclast and would prefer to take Fosamax since it's a weekly pill vs a yearly injection. I feel like you, with no options that are good. Thank you so much for all the information.

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My first Evenity injection will be in a week or so. I was all set to go a couple of months ago, but my labs had expired (must be done w/i 30 days of your appointment), so I had to get them done again before I could even reschedule, and then my endo didn't think my serum calcium scores were high enough, so I had to up my TUMS for a couple of weeks (Evenity needs a lot of calcium to work with). As for Fosamax, I took oral alendronate about two years ago, and though I stayed standing for at least an hour after every pill, I still developed GERD from it, which continues to bother me. My doctor hasn't suggested using the injectable form of Fosamax after Evenity - she has suggested Reclast as my follow-on treatment to secure whatever gains I get from Evenity. I have an appointment with her next week. I will ask why she didn't recommend Fosamax instead. By the way, using alendronate (bisphosphonates) before Evenity apparently reduces the efficacy of Evenity (according to the Great Bones book).

Spine: -3.4 Forearm: -2.6*
Total Hip: -1.9 (7.2% improvement over last scan) Femoral Neck: -2.5

* The osteo specialist I saw said that there is nothing you can do to improve forearm bone - something about the type of bone we have there. I like to imagine that the Crouching Tiger poses I do help strengthen those bones (weight bearing on arms).

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@windyshores

@risagee I did 5 years letrozole and lost bone density. I also had osteoporosis at the start but my doctor was afraid to prescribe Reclast due to my afib and kidneys.

Most cancer patients on aromatase inhibitors do Reclast (Or Zometa, which is the same drug with different dosing). It may have some protective effect with bone metastases as well as increasing bone density.

If you were not on letrozole I would ask why they are not putting you on a bone builder like Tymlos, Forteo or Evenity. I did two years of Tymlos when I finished.

Perhaps doctors are afraid a bone builder will encourage cancer spread-? The bone cancer black box warning was lifted and not a single patient has gotten bone cancer from these osteoporosis meds.

I am curious. Your DEXA score would justify a bone builder vs Reclast but it seems Reclast is still being given to patients on AI's. I would be curious to know what the doctor says if you ask about Forteo, Tymlos or Evenity in your situation. Let us know!

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@windyshores Thanks so much! I will ask my bone specialist her thoughts and let you know. Your generosity with sharing your experiences and knowledge base on all of this is SO appreciated.
Wishing you (and everyone on here) a wonderful holiday weekend!

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@judy58

Who did you see @ Mayo Rochester? I’m struggling also with severe osteoporosis. Evinity has been recommended, but I am not wanting to take it.

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Good afternoon @judy58. Dr, Wermers is my Mayo endocrinologist.
May you have peace and contentment.
Chris

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@lolamarie

artiste181,
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!! My osteoporosis is worse than yours!!!!!!!!!!!I have the worse case of osteoporosis that my doctor has ever seen!!!! And I was just diagnosed with it, and that is how it was presented to me!!!!! Talk about shock and devastation...My spine T-score is -5.6, so you should feel better about your condition. The thing is my doctor is not hearing me when I say I can't take prescription drugs and my system is very sensitive and I am very petite.....I have been sent to the ER many times for far less dangerous drugs than those for osteoporosis. I am 73 years old but have never had a fracture of any kind.... so should I worry since I am going against medical advice??? Going with the recommended pharmaceuticals for osteoporosis would be suicide for me especially in light of the serious possible, but very likely for me, side effects? I have no choice but, to go the natural therapy way to deal with it. On another note, I question the DEXA scan reading as there have been questions related to DEXA scan and petite woman. As we have less bone in the first place but are my bones are compared to someone who weighs and is much bigger than us petites?

Good luck with which way you decide to go with treatment!

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Are you taking a vitamin K2 supplement? K2 is supposed to pull calcium out of the blood vessels and into the bone.

As far as food sources, natto, is a fermented soybean food is known to have the highest amount of it. My understanding is that it is a food of Japanese origin.

I use both the supplement and the food source of K2. The supplement I take is 100mcgs. Articles state 100-300mcgs is recommended. I try to get at least the minimum with the supplement and then get the rest from natto - 2 teaspoons of the natto each day.

Windyshores (thank you Windy ;)) also explained that magnesium (another helpful/needed supplement) may be better to take approximately 2 hours before or after you take your calcium. Some research indicates that magnesium and calcium compete for absorption in the intestines. So I do that, I space my magnesium and take it separately from my calcium.

I do, however, take D3 with my calcium since D3, unlike magnesium, HELPs with intestinal absorption of calcium.

If you peruse my posts, I think I shared some links that explains this and includes other things pertaining to zinc, hydrolyzed collagen (I eat the cartilage off the end of chicken bones but too, there are powdered forms and bone broth of course), boron, copper (not so focused on the copper since I believe I get trace amounts of that in my diet.

And there are forms of exercise, HOWEVER, for your score, what works for me, I would not recommend the same exercises to others because of our different T scores

My scores are -2.8/-2.7 on my hips. 2.5 spine. I am 65, 5'6" weigh 110 and just diagnosed this spring 2024. This surprised me because I always thought I was so healthy. Well, I only walk, lift light weights, garden and putz around in the yard. I don't run anymore. I did up until my 40s. Just 1-3 miles at most 2-3 days a week back then. My knee is a problem.

I do upper body weight lifting but the highest weight 10 pounds for bicep curl and overhead. The rest are 5, 7 and 8 pound weights. So I keep it light and if it hurts, I back off to 1, 2 and 3 pound weights. Not taking chances.

I have currently worked to include others and bought a waist weighted belt that goes up to 10 pounds but am only doing 2-3 pounds and wearing the belt around the house, when I do errands - any time I am upright/walking. Even when washing dishes or doing housework.

I also wear it while taking my 30 minute daily walks. I am a little more focused on my hip bone density at the moment but I may buy a weighted vest.

I wish you the best.

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I took 3 months of Evenity shots for low bone density because I have not had any prior stroke or heart incidents. After 3 months I developed severe heart arrhythmias that were occurring several times a day. I went to see my cardiologist and it happened while I was on an EKG machine, so they recorded the whole thing. My heart went to 230 beats per minute for a minute and then dropped back down to 120, then went back to 230. I was oscillating like that for quite a few minutes as I sat on a chair, after getting off the EKG machine. I suspect that if I had any vascular blockages in my system, I would have had a stroke right then and there. I think the Evenity shots caused the arrhythmia episodes. I had to have an ablation heart surgery within 2 weeks. So in order to prevent a POSSIBLE bone issue later in life, I ended having heart surgery immediately. This is NOT a good tradeoff.

Since getting off the Evenity shots, all the arrhythmia episodes went away, thank goodness. I am back to diet and exercise. I am also told that new measurements such as trabecular scores can help people understand their bone quality.

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Have you tried Prolia injections. Mine are every 6 months. I been on it including some supplimenrs and last test was -2.1 It improved from -4.1 in around 3 years.

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