Chris @artscaping that’s good info. I’m still looking for a local therapist to see for my lower back issues.

@danielad, @gldnrtrvrlvr, @tazscott @johnbishop, @jenniferhunter, You know, I just had an awakening. Many of our community have developed neuropathy somewhere in their bodies and sometime after what looks like multiple traumatic incidents, e.g. two helicopter crashes, falling down mountains and tumbling off horses. And then I read quite a few profiles and posts of multiple surgeries to repair, replace and renew. We are also living longer and those damaged and repaired areas are required to hang on and perform. But nowhere does it say they have to be quiet about it. Some days they scream and some days they whisper.

John, do you know of any research that points to trauma as in injury or surgery, as an impetus for diagnoses of "idiopathic". Are all of us in that "dumping ground of causes" responsible for our own condition? Did having 13 orthopedic surgeries ensure my acceptance into the "idiopathic" group? When I was told at 27 while hanging face down in a sling in the hospital for 3 days that I would have difficulty later in life, did I listen? Did I modify my risk-taking behavior? Of course not. Can we pass along words of precaution to the young folks we interact with....grandchildren, nieces, nephews, even great-grandchildren? Sure...but will they listen? "Methinks" they will not change their behavior. So....it is up to medical researchers to find solutions and our providers to disseminate the mindful messages appropriately along with helpful medications and lifestyle changes. My best pain-free day to all of us......we sure are listening now. Chris