I wonder if Tymlos and Forteo only help trabecular bones.

Posted by drsuefowler @drsuefowler, Mar 24 2:39pm

I tried for many years to take care of my osteoporosis the natural way by eating well, taking supplements and exercising. Unfortunately, it did not work for me. After breaking 2 bones in 2022, last spring I attempted the full dose of Tymlos but could not adjust to the side effects. I broke 2 more bones last summer, so I started ramping up my Tymlos dosage last fall. I was on 20mcg or 2 clicks when I suffered a stress or fragility fracture in my second metasarsal of my left foot. I increased my dosage to 40mcg or 4 clicks. It has been over 7 weeks since I broke the bone in my foot and it has not healed. Every other bone I have broken has healed in about 6 weeks. Is it possible that the Tymlos is making it harder for me to heal?

There was someone on this site who was unhappy with her results from Forteo and Dr McCormick writes in his book Great Bones that sometimes these medications don't work. These medications are good for spinal bones, but what about other bones? I read an article in a medical journal that stated, "Daily injections of PTH decrease cortical bone mass and increase trabecular bone mass." Both Forteo and Tymlos increase PTH. My fractured metatarsal bone is mostly cortical.

I have an appointment with my endocrinologist in two weeks and will discuss this with him. Unfortunately, I don't think he will know the answer, because he didn't know that Strontium interferes with DEXA results and he doesn't see a problem with Prolia. I asked my orthopedist and he just said they think Tymlos helps.

Does anyone have positive results from Tymlos or Forteo for hips as well as spine? Any suggestions on how to heal my broken foot?

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@beanieone

Hi @drsuefowler, Thanks for your support.

I quit Tymlos after nine months; the last five were pretty debilitating. My doc knew about each new issue and I ended up telling him the cure was worse than any fracture I could or have suffered. Doc said no medical info about my symptoms.

Switched to Evenity and breathed a sigh of relief. I phoned Radius and made a long statement about symptoms and noted that several now appear on their website. Felt like a pioneer! 😆 Cheers!

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@beanieone I had an easier time with Tymlos than I am having with Evenity which goes to show we are all different. My fractures were the most painful thing I have ever experienced and I had 3 natural child births, and they threatened my independence, I live alone and was crawling on the floor in pain, could not cook or do laundry. I will endure a lot of side effects to lower my risk. I am glad that switching to Evenity worked for you!!

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@beanieone

Hi @drsuefowler, Thanks for your support.

I quit Tymlos after nine months; the last five were pretty debilitating. My doc knew about each new issue and I ended up telling him the cure was worse than any fracture I could or have suffered. Doc said no medical info about my symptoms.

Switched to Evenity and breathed a sigh of relief. I phoned Radius and made a long statement about symptoms and noted that several now appear on their website. Felt like a pioneer! 😆 Cheers!

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@beanieone, I am sorry to hear about your awful experience with Tymlos. Thanks for letting Radius know about your side effects. I understand since I am only able to tolerate half a dose. I feel like we are all guinea pigs, like we are the ones in the research trials. I'm so glad that you can tolerate Evenity. You should get good results.

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@katwhisperer

I was disappointed w/Tymlos results - my doctor was too. Unfortunately, they had no helpful insights or answers. Spine improved slightly; hip not at all. Still osteoporosis on the DXA. Doc now mentions prolia - doesn't mention any concerns like the difficulty of stopping after starting, (which I only learned about here). Concerning for women in their '50s. We could be on it for 3-4 decades!

I know my post probably isn't as helpful - others are chiming in with better info. Just think it's important to realize that some of us may not get the results often touted here or by our docs. We can do everything right - meds, diet, weight training, zero smoking or booze and still have issues. I feel like some docs oversell us on the effectiveness?

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Thanks for sharing @katwhisperer, and I think your post is helpful. I am so sorry to hear that Tymlos didn't work for you. My endocrinologist wants me to take Prolia after Tymlos. I do not want to do that due to side effects and having to take it the rest of my life. He says he has 150 women on it. I asked the gynecologist if they help with choosing a medication, and she said they didn't. They just give everyone Prolia. This is a cash cow not only for the pharmaceutical company, but also for the physicians. They get paid for an office call and giving the infusion to every patient forever. The doctors only know what the drug sales people tell them and what they read in medical journals or see on the Internet. My doctors are so busy that I can't imagine them spending time researching osteoporosis, when they can easily just prescribe the popular medication.

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@drsuefowler

Thanks for sharing @katwhisperer, and I think your post is helpful. I am so sorry to hear that Tymlos didn't work for you. My endocrinologist wants me to take Prolia after Tymlos. I do not want to do that due to side effects and having to take it the rest of my life. He says he has 150 women on it. I asked the gynecologist if they help with choosing a medication, and she said they didn't. They just give everyone Prolia. This is a cash cow not only for the pharmaceutical company, but also for the physicians. They get paid for an office call and giving the infusion to every patient forever. The doctors only know what the drug sales people tell them and what they read in medical journals or see on the Internet. My doctors are so busy that I can't imagine them spending time researching osteoporosis, when they can easily just prescribe the popular medication.

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Both my endocrinologist avoid prescribing Prolia. My main doc joked that maybe when he is close to retirement and doesn't have to deal with the consequences of stopping it.

Amgen makes both Evenity and Prolia and the Evenity site directs us to Prolia.

I noticed Amgen also funds some studies.

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@drsuefowler

Yes @windyshores I think it was me. I am so sensitive to medication and usually only do take half a dose of anything. I had also asked my endo about a lower dose, and he was fine with it. You had great results with a partial dose, but higher than what I am taking. I plan to talk to my endo about this. Maybe I should consider Evenity? I appreciate that you have posted ways to use partial doses with Tymlos, Evenity and Reclast. There has to be a way for us overly sensitive people to strengthen our bones!

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Jumping in regarding dosage. I am also sensitive to medications, and cut pills in half a lot. I had terrible side effects with the full 80mcg of Tymlos at first, so I dialed it back to 40 for a month. I’ve been increasing slowly since (10 mcg about every 3 weeks), and I’ve now been on 80mcg for the past 2 weeks. I do have some side effects (headaches and increased heart rate), but they fade quickly and they’ve gotten less severe. My doctor says that everyone’s therapeutic dose may be a bit different, but if I only have 18-24 months to take this drug, I wanted to get the full effect for as long as possible. If you can try to gradually increase maybe one click per month, your body may respond well. Up to you and your doctor, of course.

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@jmla

Jumping in regarding dosage. I am also sensitive to medications, and cut pills in half a lot. I had terrible side effects with the full 80mcg of Tymlos at first, so I dialed it back to 40 for a month. I’ve been increasing slowly since (10 mcg about every 3 weeks), and I’ve now been on 80mcg for the past 2 weeks. I do have some side effects (headaches and increased heart rate), but they fade quickly and they’ve gotten less severe. My doctor says that everyone’s therapeutic dose may be a bit different, but if I only have 18-24 months to take this drug, I wanted to get the full effect for as long as possible. If you can try to gradually increase maybe one click per month, your body may respond well. Up to you and your doctor, of course.

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@jml, I was surprised that I could tolerate 40 mcg. I have occasional headaches, dizziness when I move quickly, and a rapid pulse now. That is great that you can take the full dose. Maybe I could. I will discuss it with my endo at the next visit. I hope to have my CTX and P1NP checked to see if the markers indicate that I am making bone and not losing too much. Thanks for sharing.

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@drsuefowler

@jml, I was surprised that I could tolerate 40 mcg. I have occasional headaches, dizziness when I move quickly, and a rapid pulse now. That is great that you can take the full dose. Maybe I could. I will discuss it with my endo at the next visit. I hope to have my CTX and P1NP checked to see if the markers indicate that I am making bone and not losing too much. Thanks for sharing.

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Even 60 mcg would be good @drsufowler. I had great gains with 6-7, mostly 7 clicks for the last year.

My CTX and P1NP did not match expectations that I had given my 20% gain in spine and 9% gain in hip. But I had them done at 18 months. I stayed on Tymlos for another 6 months regardless. I was told bone quality would be improving even if bone growth had stopped and fracture risk would continue to go down.

I have become skeptical of these blood markers to be honest. They don't match expectations with Evenity either. One of my endos says they don't show what is going on in bone, and one uses them but with caution about their reliability. McCormick uses them but says they have to be done fasting (CTX does, P1NP not as much) and at the same time of day, early morning.

Also kidney disease may raise CTX.

It helps to have a reliable baseline. Unfortunately my baseline CTX was not fasting but I can at least go by the P1NP baseline! Oddly my P1NP was higher before any treatment. I am wondering if that is some kind of estrogen rebound after taking anti-estrogen meds for cancer and have to remember to ask doc!

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I had those side effects (not so much dizziness but the others) as well but they were transient and faded to much milder after a few weeks. Each time I bumped up the dose I would experience them again at first. I’ve been at 80 for 2.5 weeks and I’m getting used to it. I doubt I’ll ever be free of the side effects completely, but I take my dose at night, so I’m able to tolerate it and can lie down if I need to. Day time is better for some people, but it wouldn’t work for me. Best of luck with this.

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@jmla

I had those side effects (not so much dizziness but the others) as well but they were transient and faded to much milder after a few weeks. Each time I bumped up the dose I would experience them again at first. I’ve been at 80 for 2.5 weeks and I’m getting used to it. I doubt I’ll ever be free of the side effects completely, but I take my dose at night, so I’m able to tolerate it and can lie down if I need to. Day time is better for some people, but it wouldn’t work for me. Best of luck with this.

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@jmla, my biggest concern is the dizziness as I am a fall risk with low blood pressure and vestibular problems. I have fallen 5 times in the last 2 years resulting in 4 broken bones and a concussion
This fragility fracture is the first one that didn't result from a fall. Surprisingly, my blood pressure has measured normal since getting used to 40 mcg of Tymlos. Maybe the side effects would stay the same after getting used to a higher dose?

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@windyshores

Even 60 mcg would be good @drsufowler. I had great gains with 6-7, mostly 7 clicks for the last year.

My CTX and P1NP did not match expectations that I had given my 20% gain in spine and 9% gain in hip. But I had them done at 18 months. I stayed on Tymlos for another 6 months regardless. I was told bone quality would be improving even if bone growth had stopped and fracture risk would continue to go down.

I have become skeptical of these blood markers to be honest. They don't match expectations with Evenity either. One of my endos says they don't show what is going on in bone, and one uses them but with caution about their reliability. McCormick uses them but says they have to be done fasting (CTX does, P1NP not as much) and at the same time of day, early morning.

Also kidney disease may raise CTX.

It helps to have a reliable baseline. Unfortunately my baseline CTX was not fasting but I can at least go by the P1NP baseline! Oddly my P1NP was higher before any treatment. I am wondering if that is some kind of estrogen rebound after taking anti-estrogen meds for cancer and have to remember to ask doc!

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@windyshores, Unfortunately the bone markers and the DEXA are pretty much all we have available. There are problems with the DEXA scan as well. All we really care about is the prevention of broken bones. The treatment of osteoporosis feels like gambling!

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