Thank you for the suggestion. Sometimes that helps. I have drawers full of every over the counter remedy currently available: magnets, Corydalis pills, hemp capsules, microwavable pads, red light therapeutics, infra red lights, a Saunders traction device, special pillows, all tyoes of wraps and more. Have had physical therapy, chiropractic, acupuncture, and osteopathic adjustment. Aging brings pains that are resistant to easy relief.