Prognosis for Metastasized NET

Posted by sandy23 @sandy23, Oct 7, 2022

My husband was dx with metastasized NETs originating in the small intestine 3 years ago. He's been on Sandostatin shot monthly since dx. Up until his most recent pet scan last week the shot seemed to be holding the tumors "at bay". This recent scan showed growth of the 3 large tumors in his liver to have grown and the tumors have also spread to his other lobe. His oncologist said "the next line of treatment would be a chemo pill called Afinitor but since you're not having any carcinoid symtoms that is your choice as to if you wanted to take it". Then he said, "there's nothing else we can do". I asked him about surgery on the liver "debulking" and he said "bc is in the other lobe and he's having no symtoms there's no reason for surgery" and he went on to say "the liver only needs 15% to function". After much research is clear that his once slow growing tumors have moved into a faster growing disease. I can see changes in him, that being more trios to the bathroom with diarrhea and he's more tired lately. But for the most part he still goes to work and dies his normal activities. Bc I don't feel like we're getting straight answers from his Oncologist i would like a straight answer. Understanding that whatever is said is not in stone, and generalized. I know there is no cure, I know their treatment was to try to keep the tumors from growing and spreading but we are at a crossroads now where the shot isn't working. He has heart disease, with 3 stents, middle age, overweight and works in a high stress environment. All things that don't help with his disease. From everthing I've read approx 17% make it to the 5 year mark. I need some insight as to what to expect since he doesn't want surgery or to take the chemo pill. Will he start to decline? Am I correct in what I've read in his prognosis? Is he at the advanced growth stage? I'm a person who NEEDS to know and the Oncologist saying , that's all we can do says a lot. Any advise would be helpful. Thanks.

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@sophiarose

I should mind my own business
However!
I have had 4 different options if there is a 5th I would get that
Since December 2019
I have had a liver resection. Took Lanreotide and ocreotide injections. 2 Bland embolizations and took Afinitor
This Monday I got really bad MRI results!
That said!!!!!
I am now going to start PRRT
Don’t read results no one has a crystal ball for how there life will end or when
Just keep moving forward stay ahead and continue to live without the heavy baggage of WHEN but with the lighter baggage of everyday something new is being developed
BELIEVE!!!

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Stay positive! My husbands liver tumors have been as big as 9 cm ..up and down dependent on treatment. No scans again until April but feeling positive. He seems better than he has since the beginning. Recouping well from second PRRT.

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@hopeful33250

Hello @hallinvestmentgroup and welcome to the NETs support group on Mayo Connect. I appreciate you sharing your experience with NETs. You said that you went to Mayo Clinic for a second opinion. I'm wondering how they advised you.

You mentioned that you had your first radiation treatment a week ago. Do you know how many treatments you will have and how frequently they will be?

I'm glad to hear that the Xermelo is controlling the diarrhea. Are there any other symptoms that are bothersome right now?

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Wondering if anyone has heard about monoclonal antibody treatments and if they have been tried on NET’s?

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@bnjncrew

Stay positive! My husbands liver tumors have been as big as 9 cm ..up and down dependent on treatment. No scans again until April but feeling positive. He seems better than he has since the beginning. Recouping well from second PRRT.

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I am so happy his PRRT treatments are working and he can tolerate
If it wasn’t for this group I really don’t know I would have done
It has made me so focused I was so all over the place
Thank you for letting me know
All my best and luck fir good results In April

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@bnjncrew

Wondering if anyone has heard about monoclonal antibody treatments and if they have been tried on NET’s?

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Hello @bnjncrew

Your question about monoclonal antibody treatments is an interesting one. I found some information on this type of cancer treatment on Mayo Clinic's website. Here is the link to that information,
--Monoclonal Antibody
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/cancer/in-depth/monoclonal-antibody/art-20047808
While the article above does not answer the question of whether or not it will help with NETS you can read under the heading "Questions to Ask Your Health Care Team" ideas about testing the cancer cells to see if this treatment would work. At the end of this article there is also information about being involved in clinical trials. A clinical trial might be helpful because this is reported to be a very expensive treatment.

Have you talked with your oncology team about this treatment? If so, I'd be interested in what they have to say.

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@hallinvestmentgroup

I was diagnosed in Jan 2019 with a well-differentiated, functioning Net with a Ki-67 index of 15. It was a gastrointestinal NET that had metasticized to the liver. Multiple Tumors < 1 cm at the time.

It is viable for resection.

I started Lanreotide in Sept 2019 and slowly progressed until March 2023. The tumors had slowly, but steadily grown to where the 4 largest tumors were then between 3-4 cm ea.

I went to the Mayo Clinic for a 2nd opinion (my Oncologist said I three options (wait and check after MRI 4 months later, start Afinitor or start radiation treatment (Lu-177).

I waited 4 months and by then the tumors increased 25%, so I started chemotherapy pills ((Afinitor)in Oct 2023.

An MRI IN JAN showed no stoppage in growth, so I discontinued the Afinitor and had my first radiation treatment 1 week ago.

The most recent clinical trials all point to Lu-177 as the most successful outcome and some have recommended that Lu-177 be moved up to the 2nd treatment modality, while other trials are now in place with the “next” possible treament with radiation.

It apparently is individually dependent on the patient as to what course of action seems most appropriate

I also take Xermelo to control diarrhea and it has helped significantly (reducing episodes from 4-5+/day to approx once/day, a HUGE relief. It’s much easier to plan activities/outings/travel

Good luck on your future health decisions!

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Thank you for sharing in such detail. The information is so helpful. You’ve obviously been through a lot, and there’s no stopping you! I admire how knowledgeable you are about this process. Good luck with your treatment! Please keep us posted.

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I also had chronic diarrhoea, 20 times a day, since having my Nets removed, including a right hemicolectomy in Sept 23.
I have found success by fasting until 12 pm each day. So 16 hours fasting and 8 to eat sensibly.
I still get some urgency after the first meal, usually within minutes, but it’s become mostly normal within three weeks.

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I’m so sorry you and your husband and going through this. My husband has the almost the same dx. Try connecting with Susan Meckler Plummer on Facebook. She can help you and possibly advise you on next steps. Praying for you and your husband

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@chignightoro01

I’m so sorry you and your husband and going through this. My husband has the almost the same dx. Try connecting with Susan Meckler Plummer on Facebook. She can help you and possibly advise you on next steps. Praying for you and your husband

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Hello @chignightoro01 and welcome to Mayo Connect. I am sorry to hear of your husband's diagnosis of NETs. As this is your first post on Mayo Connect, please share, as you are comfortable doing so, a bit about how long he was diagnosed and what his treatment options have been.

Also, how are you doing as a Caregiver?

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@ant12

I also had chronic diarrhoea, 20 times a day, since having my Nets removed, including a right hemicolectomy in Sept 23.
I have found success by fasting until 12 pm each day. So 16 hours fasting and 8 to eat sensibly.
I still get some urgency after the first meal, usually within minutes, but it’s become mostly normal within three weeks.

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We are all self-test subjects.
I have been doing intermittent fasting (dinner ending at 5) and breakfast starting 14-16 hrs. later before I knew I had NETs. BUT I was told, and it also works better for my system, if I eat small and frequently (about every 3 hrs.) between breakfast and dinner.

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@ricki8

We are all self-test subjects.
I have been doing intermittent fasting (dinner ending at 5) and breakfast starting 14-16 hrs. later before I knew I had NETs. BUT I was told, and it also works better for my system, if I eat small and frequently (about every 3 hrs.) between breakfast and dinner.

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My movements have become completely normal the last two weeks. If not a little constipated.
Given how chronic it was I wonder if I had a bug
I started a dose of antibiotics at the same time I started fasting.
But it’s great.
I went on a road trip last week and diving and didn’t have any urgent movements.

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