Would like others experience on Reverse Total Shoulder Replacement

Posted by kcoxict @kcoxict, Jun 5, 2023

I'm scheduled for reverse TSR (left shoulder) in August. Right now I have great range of motion upward with my arm, no pain. Lateral moves hurt though, sleeping on it hurts and the arm is weak. I have a full through rotator cuff tear that is irreparable. Surgeon feels Reverse TSR is way to go but I'm worried if I'm making the right decision. Has anyone else had this done? I'm not quite 70 years old, in good physical health otherwise. Ten years ago I had rotator cuff tear repair and bicep repair on right shoulder for massive tear. Recuperation was the pitts!!
Needless to say I'm not looking forward to this though the surgeon keeps telling me replacement will be easier. Can anyone give me their experience the good, bad, ugly??
Thanks so much!!

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I am 73, and my right rotator was damaged probably 2o-ish yrs. ago. After enduring that discomfort for years, an exploratory surgery revealed that it could not be repaired - atrophy and shrinkage made reattachment of what looked like 2 frayed pieces of nylon rope impossible. I had pretty much gotten used to the soreness and flair-ups whenever I abused it by doing things I shouldn't, but finally decided, after a gazillion Triamcinolone injections over the years, to get it fixed in Oct. 2020.
The doc is one of the best in the eastern region and does only shoulders. He's also the Sports Medicine doc for WVU athletics. Things went swimmingly, and it was wonderful to have no pain. I didn't even have therapy - just some exercises, which I did religiously. My range of motion was good even before the surgery and even better after.
Then, 4 mo. in, things just didn't feel quite right in there. I reached up high one morning and heard a sound like a pencil breaking and felt pain. I went to see doc immediately, only to find that x-ray showed nothing. I knew better, and in a couple days I was back at WVU (a 4 hr. drive) this time for a CT scan. It showed a displaced fracture of the acromion. Bummer! A couple weeks later, I underwent an Open Reduction and Internal Fixation, which is a medical term for basically putting it all back together with screws and a band bridging the break. That was followed by a few weeks in a sling. It wasn't the same as before, but it was decent. I went back for a checkup about a month after that only to find that the band had broken and the end of the acromion had dropped somewhat, not surprisingly. Gravity will do that! This rendered the band and all the screws you see here absolutely non-functional. When I asked about removing them, and the broken band, he said "Don't poke a bear! The surgeon had never seen this happen before - and he has done literally hundreds of both RSRs and conventional shoulder replacements. The really interesting outcome of all this, though, is after the band broke, and even though the bone breakage had not completely healed, the shoulder felt better - not so "bound up".
We have done nothing else except check ups since that time, and you will see the ugly x-ray below.
SO: My advice to all is that if you have osteoporosis really bad don't do this unless the pain becomes absolutely intolerable. If you do not, you will be fine. I've read many clinical studies, and the thing that seems to be constant is that osteoporotic patients have a higher rate of acromion breakage and RSR failure than those who don't. I a not a surgeon, but I have researched this pretty well. Bottom line: I have been on Reclast for a few years now and my bone loss has stabilized, but I don't think I'd do it again knowing what I know now . . .
Don't let me scare you away from it though, but proceed cautiously if you have significant osteoporosis. Be well !!!

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@hamilton50

I am 73, and my right rotator was damaged probably 2o-ish yrs. ago. After enduring that discomfort for years, an exploratory surgery revealed that it could not be repaired - atrophy and shrinkage made reattachment of what looked like 2 frayed pieces of nylon rope impossible. I had pretty much gotten used to the soreness and flair-ups whenever I abused it by doing things I shouldn't, but finally decided, after a gazillion Triamcinolone injections over the years, to get it fixed in Oct. 2020.
The doc is one of the best in the eastern region and does only shoulders. He's also the Sports Medicine doc for WVU athletics. Things went swimmingly, and it was wonderful to have no pain. I didn't even have therapy - just some exercises, which I did religiously. My range of motion was good even before the surgery and even better after.
Then, 4 mo. in, things just didn't feel quite right in there. I reached up high one morning and heard a sound like a pencil breaking and felt pain. I went to see doc immediately, only to find that x-ray showed nothing. I knew better, and in a couple days I was back at WVU (a 4 hr. drive) this time for a CT scan. It showed a displaced fracture of the acromion. Bummer! A couple weeks later, I underwent an Open Reduction and Internal Fixation, which is a medical term for basically putting it all back together with screws and a band bridging the break. That was followed by a few weeks in a sling. It wasn't the same as before, but it was decent. I went back for a checkup about a month after that only to find that the band had broken and the end of the acromion had dropped somewhat, not surprisingly. Gravity will do that! This rendered the band and all the screws you see here absolutely non-functional. When I asked about removing them, and the broken band, he said "Don't poke a bear! The surgeon had never seen this happen before - and he has done literally hundreds of both RSRs and conventional shoulder replacements. The really interesting outcome of all this, though, is after the band broke, and even though the bone breakage had not completely healed, the shoulder felt better - not so "bound up".
We have done nothing else except check ups since that time, and you will see the ugly x-ray below.
SO: My advice to all is that if you have osteoporosis really bad don't do this unless the pain becomes absolutely intolerable. If you do not, you will be fine. I've read many clinical studies, and the thing that seems to be constant is that osteoporotic patients have a higher rate of acromion breakage and RSR failure than those who don't. I a not a surgeon, but I have researched this pretty well. Bottom line: I have been on Reclast for a few years now and my bone loss has stabilized, but I don't think I'd do it again knowing what I know now . . .
Don't let me scare you away from it though, but proceed cautiously if you have significant osteoporosis. Be well !!!

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Thank you!!! I am 73 and getting ready to have the same surgery on my right shoulder. Also using a well-known "shoulder specialist" who performs 100s of these operations a year. While in his office the other day another patient had the EXACT same issue as you--a fractured acromion post surgery! My pain is unbearable at this point, so I'm going thru w the surgery. Thank you so much for posting. Lin

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@linamend

Thank you!!! I am 73 and getting ready to have the same surgery on my right shoulder. Also using a well-known "shoulder specialist" who performs 100s of these operations a year. While in his office the other day another patient had the EXACT same issue as you--a fractured acromion post surgery! My pain is unbearable at this point, so I'm going thru w the surgery. Thank you so much for posting. Lin

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Good luck! You'll probably do just fine, but don't push it too far too soon after surgery. You didn't mention osteoporosis. I am convinced after much reading and searching online that my acromion was sufficiently weakened by the osteo to eventually not be strong enough to handle the rather excessive force the deltoid muscle subjected it to. RSR rearranges the geometry of the musculature in there and stresses the acromion in a way it is not designed to. Although I am now pretty much constantly "sore", I have no aching, and my movement is great except for reaching behind. I can get to L-4 without pain, but no higher. So, you will very glad to lose the pain. Again, good luck and be well!

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Thanks. Yes, I do have osteoporosis. Have to get left shoulder and right hip also replaced. Reaching behind seems to be a common issue among neighbors. Reaching to L-4 is pretty low. Was this an anatomical or reverse placement device?

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@hamilton50

I am 73, and my right rotator was damaged probably 2o-ish yrs. ago. After enduring that discomfort for years, an exploratory surgery revealed that it could not be repaired - atrophy and shrinkage made reattachment of what looked like 2 frayed pieces of nylon rope impossible. I had pretty much gotten used to the soreness and flair-ups whenever I abused it by doing things I shouldn't, but finally decided, after a gazillion Triamcinolone injections over the years, to get it fixed in Oct. 2020.
The doc is one of the best in the eastern region and does only shoulders. He's also the Sports Medicine doc for WVU athletics. Things went swimmingly, and it was wonderful to have no pain. I didn't even have therapy - just some exercises, which I did religiously. My range of motion was good even before the surgery and even better after.
Then, 4 mo. in, things just didn't feel quite right in there. I reached up high one morning and heard a sound like a pencil breaking and felt pain. I went to see doc immediately, only to find that x-ray showed nothing. I knew better, and in a couple days I was back at WVU (a 4 hr. drive) this time for a CT scan. It showed a displaced fracture of the acromion. Bummer! A couple weeks later, I underwent an Open Reduction and Internal Fixation, which is a medical term for basically putting it all back together with screws and a band bridging the break. That was followed by a few weeks in a sling. It wasn't the same as before, but it was decent. I went back for a checkup about a month after that only to find that the band had broken and the end of the acromion had dropped somewhat, not surprisingly. Gravity will do that! This rendered the band and all the screws you see here absolutely non-functional. When I asked about removing them, and the broken band, he said "Don't poke a bear! The surgeon had never seen this happen before - and he has done literally hundreds of both RSRs and conventional shoulder replacements. The really interesting outcome of all this, though, is after the band broke, and even though the bone breakage had not completely healed, the shoulder felt better - not so "bound up".
We have done nothing else except check ups since that time, and you will see the ugly x-ray below.
SO: My advice to all is that if you have osteoporosis really bad don't do this unless the pain becomes absolutely intolerable. If you do not, you will be fine. I've read many clinical studies, and the thing that seems to be constant is that osteoporotic patients have a higher rate of acromion breakage and RSR failure than those who don't. I a not a surgeon, but I have researched this pretty well. Bottom line: I have been on Reclast for a few years now and my bone loss has stabilized, but I don't think I'd do it again knowing what I know now . . .
Don't let me scare you away from it though, but proceed cautiously if you have significant osteoporosis. Be well !!!

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Hi @hamilton50, thank you for your post. I am 73, as well, with osteoporosis. I've been on alendronate nearly three years. I just thought I had torn rotator cuff, but an Xray showed my shoulder is eroded from arthritis. A shoulder replacement was recommended. Not easily done because I'm caregiver to my husband with Alzheimer's Disease. The PA said I am one tough cookie because my shoulder is "horrible."
She gave me a steroid injection - which hasn't made much difference. My pain is mainly in the tendon and sometimes the bicep, and flares up when I use my arm too much. I can usually get by with two 325 mg of acetaminophen and an occasional ibuprofen daily. I started using a very good infrared heating pad on the shoulder and arm at night and that really helps. Just added a magnesium cream to that which lessens the pain.
To your post, I read an article on NIH which said those on alendronate experience more fractures after shoulder replacement surgery probably because alendronate creates brittle bone.
@linamend, I hope your surgery goes well. Can you keep us updated on your progress?
Take care,
Teri

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@linamend

Thanks. Yes, I do have osteoporosis. Have to get left shoulder and right hip also replaced. Reaching behind seems to be a common issue among neighbors. Reaching to L-4 is pretty low. Was this an anatomical or reverse placement device?

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Reverse. L-4 is great for my situation.

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@tsc

Hi @hamilton50, thank you for your post. I am 73, as well, with osteoporosis. I've been on alendronate nearly three years. I just thought I had torn rotator cuff, but an Xray showed my shoulder is eroded from arthritis. A shoulder replacement was recommended. Not easily done because I'm caregiver to my husband with Alzheimer's Disease. The PA said I am one tough cookie because my shoulder is "horrible."
She gave me a steroid injection - which hasn't made much difference. My pain is mainly in the tendon and sometimes the bicep, and flares up when I use my arm too much. I can usually get by with two 325 mg of acetaminophen and an occasional ibuprofen daily. I started using a very good infrared heating pad on the shoulder and arm at night and that really helps. Just added a magnesium cream to that which lessens the pain.
To your post, I read an article on NIH which said those on alendronate experience more fractures after shoulder replacement surgery probably because alendronate creates brittle bone.
@linamend, I hope your surgery goes well. Can you keep us updated on your progress?
Take care,
Teri

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Hi Teri:
Some advice based on my experience:
!. Have the surgery. The pain will eventually get unbearable.
2. If you have no heart/kidney problems, ask your doc to put you on Celebrex 200mg. a day to start, up to 400 mg. if needed, and trash the ibuprofen/tylenol. I can't imagine life without it the last 25 years! I've also had finger joints replaced and have arthritis in my back, wrists and fingers. Not good for a guitar player!
3. Ask about Reclast rather than Fosamax, Fosamax is really hard on your stomach, especially taken with ibuprofen. Additionally, if it's causing bone loss it's doing exactly the opposite of it's purpose!
4. Ask your doc about Voltaren emugel gel 2.3grm. I use it on my hands/fingers. You can only get it in that strength from Amazon through Germany or Canada.
PS- If your rotator cuff is indeed intact, you might be a candidate for a conventional shoulder replacement rather than a reverse. Ask.
Good luck,
hamilton50

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@tsc

Hi @hamilton50, thank you for your post. I am 73, as well, with osteoporosis. I've been on alendronate nearly three years. I just thought I had torn rotator cuff, but an Xray showed my shoulder is eroded from arthritis. A shoulder replacement was recommended. Not easily done because I'm caregiver to my husband with Alzheimer's Disease. The PA said I am one tough cookie because my shoulder is "horrible."
She gave me a steroid injection - which hasn't made much difference. My pain is mainly in the tendon and sometimes the bicep, and flares up when I use my arm too much. I can usually get by with two 325 mg of acetaminophen and an occasional ibuprofen daily. I started using a very good infrared heating pad on the shoulder and arm at night and that really helps. Just added a magnesium cream to that which lessens the pain.
To your post, I read an article on NIH which said those on alendronate experience more fractures after shoulder replacement surgery probably because alendronate creates brittle bone.
@linamend, I hope your surgery goes well. Can you keep us updated on your progress?
Take care,
Teri

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Thanks! That's why I went OFF alendronate! 😅 No thanks! And statically, there has to be 8 people taking it before it helps 1. Forget the medical term for the stars.

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@linamend

Thanks! That's why I went OFF alendronate! 😅 No thanks! And statically, there has to be 8 people taking it before it helps 1. Forget the medical term for the stars.

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Teri:
I note from your profile that you lived on the Big Island and worked there. Back when dinosaurs roamed the Earth, I lived on Kaua'i for two years - worked as a lifeguard and tour guide, drove a forklift (that didn't last long) and gigged a bit as a musician. Lived mostly in and around Lihu'e, Lawai'i, Puhi and Niumalu. This was 1978-1980. I feel you about the Fosamax, although I never took it. I've been on the Reclast infusions for three years, and will switch to Prolia next time. Besr wishes. Chime in anytime. 😁

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@hamilton50

Hi Teri:
Some advice based on my experience:
!. Have the surgery. The pain will eventually get unbearable.
2. If you have no heart/kidney problems, ask your doc to put you on Celebrex 200mg. a day to start, up to 400 mg. if needed, and trash the ibuprofen/tylenol. I can't imagine life without it the last 25 years! I've also had finger joints replaced and have arthritis in my back, wrists and fingers. Not good for a guitar player!
3. Ask about Reclast rather than Fosamax, Fosamax is really hard on your stomach, especially taken with ibuprofen. Additionally, if it's causing bone loss it's doing exactly the opposite of it's purpose!
4. Ask your doc about Voltaren emugel gel 2.3grm. I use it on my hands/fingers. You can only get it in that strength from Amazon through Germany or Canada.
PS- If your rotator cuff is indeed intact, you might be a candidate for a conventional shoulder replacement rather than a reverse. Ask.
Good luck,
hamilton50

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Oy, autocorrect! "Statistically" and "stats".

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