Can chronic itching be caused by Neuropathy

Posted by Rosebud @rosebud123, Feb 6 6:07pm

I have had Peripheral Neuropathy for about 20 years.
The only symptoms I’ve ever really had is a lot of tingling, numbness and spasms in the legs and toes.
For the past 12 months I’ve developed this chronic itch that started in my scalp but is now my whole body.
I have absolutely no rash or dryness anywhere.
My neurologist has told me he hasn’t heard of neuropathy causing itching which surprises me.
I’ve been to a Dermatologist who says he can’t see anything that’s causing it.
My Dr says she thinks it’s from high Uric acid.
In totally confused as to what it could be as it’s driving me crazy.
All three of them can only suggest Amiltriptyline which I’m not willing to take as I’m super sensitive to medication.
Has anyone here had the same problem and what did you do for it please.

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@allwheeldrive

Hi Rosebud,
I never thought of my itchy scalp as having anything to do with my idiopathic neuropathy, until I read your comment! After a visit with the grandchildren, over Christmas, I was blaming them for what I thought was nits!!
No evidence whatsoever! My itch begins at the hairline at the back of my head, but often extends to all over my scalp- no dry skin, no sores, no change in shampoo- more annoying than anything else. I have not even mentioned this to doctor. I try to just not start the scratching!
My major 'infliction' from the neuropathy is my rapidly deteriorating loss of balance - which I am currently combating with a very simple set of exercises to work on 3 times a day, re-establishing my proprioceptors- only in week 1, but very hopeful!
Sorry, I cannot offer any solutions!

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I also have been having itchy scalp issues for awhile now.
No change in shampoo,etc.
Itching starts at back of my head at hairline, and also in middle of my head in back.
Also my balance is awful, walk with walker or cane most of time.

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@jrn57

Background: Age 66, Lipitor for 25 years (advised better to take small dose than not...for insurance). Also, Losartan, ADD, Clonazepam as needed, Testosterone, Estradiol, Finasteride, Minoxidil, and others, including OTC various supplements, pain relievers, PPI (Prilosec), Antacids, MTC Oil, Green Drink Supplements loaded with polyphenols etc. etc. including alcohol consumption (mostly wine, beer, tequila), one of them daily for last 10+ years (functional alcoholic). Had slight Osteoarthritis (autoimmune disease). not Diabetic according to tests.

Noticed Stage 2 CKD, monitored every 3 mos, watched while it got worse. Doc says OK. eGFR 59, 56, 54, 47!, 53.

Right foot began to tingle a few years ago. Was told by Podiatrist: not Morton's Neuroma, just a callous, shaved it down. no change. Year later: my PCP referred me to Neurologist. Said callous was just a wart(!) Did motor nerve conduction test...all OK, said it was PN. Prescribed Gabapentin (1200mg/day), sent me to Rheumatologist who prescribed Hydroxychloroquine 200 2 X/day, Meloxicam 25mg (strong NSAID). Meloxicam produced low kidney eGFR of 47. Yikes!

After going on Gabapentin for 10 mos, PN careened out of control to both legs, feet and hands. Freaked out. Dove into PN research (medical journals, YouTube, Neuropathy Specialists, anything "Neuropathy online . Engaged a Functional Doctor/Nutritionist. Blood test noted extreme inflammation. He prescribed extreme lifestyle and diet change to Paleo/Keto w/Intermittent Fasting with only Whole Foods (no preservatives... Difficult but have no choice). Eliminate Statins, Gabapentin, ADD meds, Clonazepam, OTC meds, continued supplements. Introduced a vitamin/herbal 3 month "cleanse", indicating it + diet changes was only way to see what's causing the inflammation, which is contributing to the NP.

Also Neurologist introduced electro-stim therapy to my legs & Feet 2
x per week - 24 sessions..

3 months into all of the changes above, I've lost 20 lbs, down to high school weight now. PN is localized mostly to bottom of feet (not hands, legs etc). Incremental improvement every week.

EXCEPT: Kidney still concerning - working with Nephrologist who said, stop all meds, OTC, and supplements that I can.

Now to your question: YES - I have skin itching (no rash, just needle pricks, and skin crawling, mostly in the evening and before bed. In the morning, all is fine (except numb tops and bottoms of feet.

Conclusion at this point: Alcohol triggered the PN. OTC meds contributed. High sugar, carb, chocolate diet, especially at night with alcohol, triggered onset of PN. Long term use of Prescription meds known to have PN as side effect laid the ground work for PN. Itching is most-likely caused by CKD as it is a known symptom. (Body not filtering properly, impurities (ureic acid, protein, etc) uses the skin "organ" in attempt to excrete impurities)

Apologies for long answer, but this autoimmune disease is very common, an can be caused be many things, The MD community will only treat symptoms. I've found it necessary to develop my own team and research, and use them all to move to a better state.

I will be introducing LLLT (Red light therapy) soon, due to positive scientific studies showing efficacy in controlling/reducing/eliminating PN.

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Firstly thanks so much for taking the time to reply.
I’m sorry you’re going through so much and pleased you’ve been able to find answers in some way.
Yes it’s very frustrating as I’ve been to so many doctors and specialists and so far no answers.
I have just had an ultrasound as I didn’t believe the Dr when she told me my blood tests showed no kidney or liver damage.
She actually told me I’ve reversed my fatty liver with eating so well. ( low carb )
I still wasn’t convinced which is why I insisted on the ultrasound.
Ultrasound shows all healthy organs all within range of what they should be.
Now I’m totally confused by all this as I’m a logical thinker and something clearly isn’t right for my body and scalp to be so itchy.
Mine doesn’t feel like crawling just a normal itch.
My Dr did say I’ve had high Uric acid for over 20 years now. ( No gout )
She seems to think that’s the cause of this itching.
I’m trying tart cherry juice at the moment but who knows.
I do drink two small glasses of wine every night as it’s the only thing that relaxes me enough to sleep.
Since I developed tinnitus 12 months ago I find it extremely difficult to sleep without the wine.
I have an appointment with my Neurologist in two weeks time I’ll mention the stim therapy and red light and see what he says.
You’ve been a wealth of knowledge and I’m extremely grateful for the information.
Good luck with your healing.

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@artscaping

Good evening @risebud and others who are discussing "neuropathic itch". My entire life for the last three years has revolved around the "itch". Thank goodness it is gone now thanks to twice-a-month injections of Dupixent. Previously I was struggling with itches and rashes from the atopic dermatitis initiated by face creams, shampoos, and even organic fumes. Even an Rx of Neosporin created a face rash. Let me start with the atopic dermatitis. That itch was always on the outside of my body, especially my arms, legs, and scalp. With my dermatologist, we tried many topicals and internals. I got new bedding, new clothes, and new towels, to go with new shampoo, new body and laundry soap.

I will attach some images so you can see what I am talking about. My face was very scary if I used sun tan lotions and other medications like Neosporin. So eventually, I truly thought I was free of exterior itching.

Then, I began having more itching within a couple of years of dealing with SFN, (small fiber neuropathy). There was no way to escape.....although I gave it a try. Scratching didn't help because the origin was interior. However, I still scratched the outside of my body and I spent one Christmas Eve in agony in the ER. My dermatologist even interrupted her vacation to direct available medical attention to help me another time. The interior itch also made me sick to my stomach and I would pass out. At times I just wanted to check out.

So.....there is a solution and you can check it out at http://www.dupixent.com. Don't hesitate to ask questions. I will help as much as is possible because I am not a medical practitioner. I shudder at the thought that you may be enduring a Neuropathic itch when there just might be a "cure".

May you be free of suffering and the cause of suffering.
Chris

Since August 13, 2022, I have been free of the neuropathic itch thanks to Dupixent.

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Wow I’m so sorry you had to go through all that pain.
Thank you for all that information.
My problem is I don’t have any rash or dry skin it all seems to be invisible.
Dermatologist has told me it’s not psoriasis or any other skin condition.
I’m at a complete loss as to what’s causing the scalp and body itching.
No kidney or liver problems either.
Good luck in your continued healing.

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@rosebud123

Wow I’m so sorry you had to go through all that pain.
Thank you for all that information.
My problem is I don’t have any rash or dry skin it all seems to be invisible.
Dermatologist has told me it’s not psoriasis or any other skin condition.
I’m at a complete loss as to what’s causing the scalp and body itching.
No kidney or liver problems either.
Good luck in your continued healing.

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Thank you @risebud, Just thought I would let you know that I continued to scratch my skin even though the neuropathic itch was inside and not on the skin. So I was the bad one. My skin took a bit of time to heal after the Dupixent began to work. Now I just have "aging" wrinkles and age spots. What might be worth a laugh is that I used to spend $$$$$ having those aging spots removed. And now......living in Minnesota, I just wear longer sleeves.

I could not find my post with the scalp information yesterday. It was a different process than usual shampooing. I will look again. A dermatologist would also know.

May you be at peace.
Chris

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An ich is a pain sensation. So yes, the surface skin feels numb.

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You might consider seeing an immunologist. It was determined my T Cells have for whatever reason are elevated due to - pick anyone one: history of eczema , flu vaccines, lime disease, noro virus, COVID 19 (severe), 4 covid vaccines and 2 Shangrix vaccines.
I understand this itch and it is maddening and debilitating. I have it on my scalp and on my left arm only at this time. I will say at this time I am definitely finding relief most days thankfully: GLUTEN FREE DIET Cold packs and where I can place them, dermatologist ordered a compounding creme of lidocaine and trimphylete- messy for the scalp, buy hey when you itch it’s worth it. 5 months of weekly sessions of accupuncture, Started supplements recommended by both the immunologist and a functional medicine dr: Vitamin C with zinc, vitamin C only, Biotin, Folic acid ( blood test showed defiencicy in Folic - this can affect the nervous system), Magnesium, Vitamin D with K ( they say the K part is essential - who knew?) and Calcium strain got only. SHAMPOO: Capsaicin shampoo from Amazon and CAPSAICIN spray for itch is AMAZING - both can be purchased from Amazon. This has became a marathon and while it’s not clear what caused my severe neuropathic itching it’s also not specially clear what is helping - I am doing ALL of the above and I am definelty getting RELEIF. I wish you well and I really do feel for you.

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Lastly, immunologist recommended NO MORE vaccines for me, until the itching is under control. Vaccines elevate T Cells, which is how they fight a disease - for whatever reason mine have stayed elevated, this is why he said no more for a few years . I had 6 vaccines within a 2 year period - 4 Covid 19 and 2 Shangrix.

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I also forgot to include I know longer have dairy in my diet, specifically the cows milk protein “Casein” it exacerbated the itch out of this world.

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@danny5

i don't want to scare or alarm you. but i've read a couple articles sometime back. saying that type of itching might be from your liver. try Googling it. google the itching symptoms and about the liver. good luck, d

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Thanks I’ve had my liver and kidneys tested with both blood and ultrasound.
Apparently all my organs are healthy.

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I might suggest that when you have an ailment that is difficult to diagnose and you are considering possible treatments start with just one thing. This is important both for diagnosis and successful treatment. If you are trying too many things at one time it makes diagnosis even for difficult. You have no way of knowing what may be working and what isn’t. You can help your provider rule out what you don’t have. Your provider can help you prioritize and choose treatments to try. It can be tedious and requires patience but can yield better results in the long run.

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