I reversed osteoporosis without drugs

Posted by sheilad1 @sheilad1, Dec 28, 2022

I had my bone quality test yesterday along with another bone density test. This was my third bone density test in 14 months.

My first bone density test was Nov 2021.
I started consulting with different doctors. If I must take meds I would. But I had to get to the truth.
The physician who appeared to know the most is Keith McCormick DC the chiropractor who got osteoporosis at a very young age and really understands it.

That first DEXA scan showed I had mild osteoperosis of the spine, within the margin of error.
So no McCormick said to take the CTX (blood) test and a few others.
CTX was good.
My CTX shows that the osteoclasts are not breaking down too much bone. therefore, my next bone density test shouldn’t show that that I am much worse.

I decided not to wait until 2 years for another scan and took
I took another bone density (aka DEXA) scan 10/2022 to see if that was true about the CTX.
My spine was actually better in that scan and it was now osteopenia.
My hip was a little worse bringing it outside the margin of error. McCormick said this was a tough call so I said to him why don’t I get a bone quality test (that he told me about) and I figured that will buy me a little time anyway lol.

Unfortunately, the bone quality test only measures the spine.
Since it’s unusual for your spine to get better and your hip to get worse, it made me think - what have I done differently since the last test? Why would my spine improve but not my hip? What is my spine doing that my hip is not?

I decided it had to be the Supernatural virtual reality exercise app that I exercise to (on the oculus quest VR helmet). Even though I am striking the air, there actually is resistance, and I push hard to hit it as powerfully as I can.

I decided to put weights on my ankles. Everything I read says weight training should be once or twice a week, and I certainly only did it once.

Back to yesterday and the bone quality (TBS) test and yet another bone density (DEXA) test.
My hip was back to where it was on the first test. This put me back inside the margin of error where I would not have to take medication
This demonstrated to me that the CTX score did in fact mean I'm not losing density quickly.
Yesterday's test shows that my spine continued to improve and my bone density score was no longerosteopenia. It was normal. My bone quality test was great. The tech really loved it and called me over to show me how I was completely in the green meaning It was normal which is a little unusual at my age, 74, altogether.

I may be wrong about supernatural helping.
I’ll probably take the DEXA again in six months because I am anxious to see how the hip does, and if it improves even more.
And if so, I’ll turn myself into a study. 😂

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@mlwh

I too have improved my BMD without drugs. I'll add a chart to show you my progress. I retired at the end of 2018, and committed to daily exercise, alternating walking and weight training. I have improved my diet, but it's not perfect. I am taking no supplements. Last January my baby (62 yrs) sister died after getting Covid and it was a stressful year, and I think my most recent scores reflect that, although I still show improvement from my 2019 starting point in all but Total Hip, and they seem to have changed the way that is calculated?? Anyway. It is totally possible, but I think everyone is different. I wish docs were more willing to run tests to check for causes, rather than prescribing drugs without understanding body function, especially Osteoclast and Osteoblast function. Attaching my scores.

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@mlwh I cannot see the whole chart. It stops at 2019 so the part that shows improvement is off screen. Can you reduce the size and repost?

In the graph the femoral neck looks improved but my reports say that is unreliable to measure change.

Your spine scores are serious and you are at risk of fracture, based on my experience with similar scores. For me it just took one unwise movement. It would be impossible, I think, to get them out of the danger range without meds.

Are you saying that stress causes bone loss or that stress interfered with your regimen? Thanks!

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Hi windyshores. I believe that there are many aspects to bone health and that stress is certainly one of them. Plus driving to Montana alone for my sister's Celebration of Life, not managing to follow my usual exercise routine, and eat my usual diet, just two months before my 2023 DEXA scan... yup. I believe that was part of the recent decline. BUT from 2017 - 2023 my scores are all improved, except for Total Hip. I can see the whole chart on the post, and don't know how I could improve it for you, so I'll just put the 2017 - 2023 numbers here for you. My 2021 numbers were better than 2023, and I blame that stress.
Lumbar Spine -3.5 to -3.4 (.1 gain from 2017 - 2023)
Femoral Neck -3.1 to -2.7 (.4 gain)
Total Hip - 2.6 to -2.8 (.2 loss, which makes no sense, my femoral neck improved but the top of my femur worsened?)
Just stopping bone loss is a big deal. I have actually improved my scores except the Total Hip score which dropped .3 this time, and this does not make much sense to me, as it was up .1 in 2021. I am have a DEXAfit scan planned in February, and then will be able to see if my whole body score has BMD score is up or down since November when my scan DEXA was done. Then, I'll go and have a chat with my doc and try to get an explanation on the Total Hip score drop.

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@mlwh

Hi windyshores. I believe that there are many aspects to bone health and that stress is certainly one of them. Plus driving to Montana alone for my sister's Celebration of Life, not managing to follow my usual exercise routine, and eat my usual diet, just two months before my 2023 DEXA scan... yup. I believe that was part of the recent decline. BUT from 2017 - 2023 my scores are all improved, except for Total Hip. I can see the whole chart on the post, and don't know how I could improve it for you, so I'll just put the 2017 - 2023 numbers here for you. My 2021 numbers were better than 2023, and I blame that stress.
Lumbar Spine -3.5 to -3.4 (.1 gain from 2017 - 2023)
Femoral Neck -3.1 to -2.7 (.4 gain)
Total Hip - 2.6 to -2.8 (.2 loss, which makes no sense, my femoral neck improved but the top of my femur worsened?)
Just stopping bone loss is a big deal. I have actually improved my scores except the Total Hip score which dropped .3 this time, and this does not make much sense to me, as it was up .1 in 2021. I am have a DEXAfit scan planned in February, and then will be able to see if my whole body score has BMD score is up or down since November when my scan DEXA was done. Then, I'll go and have a chat with my doc and try to get an explanation on the Total Hip score drop.

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@mlwh my reports say that the femoral neck is not a reliable measure of change. Not sure why. Like you I have many years of DEXA's on a chart and I go by trends rather than change from one to the other.

Regardless of improvements, I am letting you know that at -3.3 I suffered disabling fractures in lumbar spine from one wrong movement. I did Tymlos but started at a low dose so my body could get used to it. My spine is out of osteoporosis now (well, on the border). Once I lock in with dose or two of Reclast I will follow a regimen that is more natural- I hope.

I understand your position and respect it but just want to say how painful and disabling and life changing my fractures have been. I felt absolutely fine at the time.

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My dr. would say that 0.1 is nit statistically relevant. Have to look at trend as Windy says.

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@windyshores

I personally think DEXA scores can help decide on taking meds (If under -3.0). We can also do TBS to see how bone quality is, but a DEXA under -3.0 can mean meds are needed.

The blood tests, in my experience, establish a baseline before meds to make sure meds are working as well as to guide transitions to follow up meds like Reclast.

So I am not sure your doctor was wrong. Keith McCormick, the author of "The Whole Body Approach to Osteoporosis" and the more recent "Great Bones' writes that at -3.0 and below, meds should be considered. My doc at a major urban teaching hospital affiliated with Harvard, also goes by DEXA and does not use blood markers. I see another doc as well, who does use bone markers, but my main doc has been right about everything.

One caveat: it is good to make sure PTH (parathyroid) is okay. High calcium would be suspicious for that.

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Windy is correct. I had 20% improvement in dexa shown 6 months prior to fracture after one wrong move.

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@mlwh

I too have improved my BMD without drugs. I'll add a chart to show you my progress. I retired at the end of 2018, and committed to daily exercise, alternating walking and weight training. I have improved my diet, but it's not perfect. I am taking no supplements. Last January my baby (62 yrs) sister died after getting Covid and it was a stressful year, and I think my most recent scores reflect that, although I still show improvement from my 2019 starting point in all but Total Hip, and they seem to have changed the way that is calculated?? Anyway. It is totally possible, but I think everyone is different. I wish docs were more willing to run tests to check for causes, rather than prescribing drugs without understanding body function, especially Osteoclast and Osteoblast function. Attaching my scores.

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Great job! I’m on the same path. Can you tell a little about how you have designed your weight program? Are you trying to go heavy? Are you doing exercises that load the spine? Are you working with a trainer?
The reason I’m asking is because my weight program is one of my major pillars and it’s helpful to know how it’s gone for others.
Thanks and congrats!

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Keep in mind there is a possible error associated with each reading. I do not know what the magnitude of that actually is. If you laid down on the table 10 times, getting up between readings, a value of -3.0 might vary from -2.9 to -3.1 due to variation in position or other factors. No one wants the radiation exposure to do that. That is part of the reason why use of the same instrument is recommended. That eliminates one variable.

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@normahorn

Keep in mind there is a possible error associated with each reading. I do not know what the magnitude of that actually is. If you laid down on the table 10 times, getting up between readings, a value of -3.0 might vary from -2.9 to -3.1 due to variation in position or other factors. No one wants the radiation exposure to do that. That is part of the reason why use of the same instrument is recommended. That eliminates one variable.

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@normahorn, very true. and thanks as always for your perspective, @windyshores , @sallyj2, it is also my understanding that a .1 gain is not statistically significant.

Also important to keep in mind that arthritic changes in the spine (very common as we age) may show up as increased bone density so Dexa is not a terribly accurate modality for showing improvement.

In my experience, no amount of good nutrition or targeted exercise could improve my bones. I'm about as natural as you get, motivated and diligent in my diet and exercise regimen but ultimately, I had to make the difficult decision to embrace a pharmaceutical option to save my bones from further deterioration. And boy am I glad I did.

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@teb

@normahorn, very true. and thanks as always for your perspective, @windyshores , @sallyj2, it is also my understanding that a .1 gain is not statistically significant.

Also important to keep in mind that arthritic changes in the spine (very common as we age) may show up as increased bone density so Dexa is not a terribly accurate modality for showing improvement.

In my experience, no amount of good nutrition or targeted exercise could improve my bones. I'm about as natural as you get, motivated and diligent in my diet and exercise regimen but ultimately, I had to make the difficult decision to embrace a pharmaceutical option to save my bones from further deterioration. And boy am I glad I did.

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What was your exercise regime?

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@sirene

Did insurance cover the dexascan? I was told that I could only have one ever two years because of insurance.

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Very typical and my dr says I won’t see any differences in one year

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