High PSA and worried

Posted by stew80 @stew80, Jan 16 11:39am

I took a PSA blood test randomly recently and the result was 12.2. I have been told to retest in 2-3 weeks. I'm 83 and do have BPH and did have a TURP 8 years ago. I'm not sure what it all means but I am concerned. The only symptoms I have are related to slow urine flow which I attributed to BPH. Screening for PSA is normally not done if you are 80+ but this test was a mobile van one and they did do it.
Any thoughts?

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@retiredboomer71

Your Urologist will likely recommend an MRI and maybe a biopsy. But don't let that scare you.

Understand that prostate cancer (PCa) is generally slow-growing -- especially low-grade & favorable intermediate-grade PCa.

That is, you probably have time (maybe a lot of time) to research your options.

My Suggestions:

1. Talk with your Urologist about tests he recommends.

2. Don't rush to biopsy -- decide AFTER getting a multiparametric MRI, preferably from a Center of Excellence.

3. Before getting a biopsy, consider getting a PSMA PET/CT body scan. You're injected with a radioactive dye that identifies PCa. (An example is the brightly-lit middle image below.) PSMA PET scan is especially useful identifying PCa sites if you have spread outside the prostate.

4. Old-school biopsies randomly sample areas of the prostate and can miss tumors, especially early-stage small tumors. Instead, get a targeted biopsy (aka MRI-Ultrasound Fusion biopsy), which combines (fuses) your mpMRI with real-time ultrasound images. This allows your Urologist to target your biopsies to areas-of-interest in your prostate. Other areas in the prostate can be randomly sampled as well.

5. Research, research, research. Early on, I found this video helpful:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUSkWb5QP8A

Best wishes.

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This video (and others) are extremely helpful in describing the complexity of this disease. Research as you say is key. Thank you.

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stew80: you might also look at nccn.org. They provide guidelines for doctors and patients, and treatments are followed pretty closely by the doctors when they recommend treatment. Second opinions are always a good idea.

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@ctpaul

Based on what happened to me, I think it is very important to get a second opinion by some-one not related in any way to the first doctor. The urologist that diagnosed me and then did the robotic surgery came across as a know it all. After the surgery (June 2022) I never went back to him. Then a couple of months ago my primary care physician (who I see only 4 times a year) told me that some tests that I had taken showed that I had cancer in my lymph nodes. This enraged me. I had always been a sexual adventurer, but without my prostate I can't get an erection. I can't achieve an orgasm no matter what I try. I'm 70 years old and I had decided that if I had to give up sex in order to save my life - well I was willing to make that trade off. But to find out the prostate cancer has spread to my lymph nodes makes me furious. I gave up drinking alcohol in 2019 after going into liver failure. I still miss it. I gave up sex 2 years ago, and damn it! I still most assuredly miss that!
How many things can a guy give up before coming to the conclusion that perhaps life is no longer worth living? Truthfully if I did not have 5 rescue cats to care for I'm not certain I'd want to stick around.
But I do have some responsibilities and so I am scheduled for a PET Scan next week. I don't know enough to select either radiation or chemotherapy if it comes to that. But I am certainly not simply following what the urologist who talked me into having prostate cancer surgery says I should do.
Good luck to you.

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I just turned 70 last October, at my annual physical & blood tests, my PSA had jumped from 4.47 6 months earlier to 6.62 so my Primary Care Doc referred me to Urologist who ordered MRI and 4K score test. Multi parametric MRI showed 12mm lesion and PIRADS 4, the blood test marker 4K score was maximum at 95 I am scheduled in a week at Mayo for Fusion perineal needle biopsy. Prostate size was 50 cc and I've had BPH symptoms for last 4-5 years, also ED for the last 10 years, but Viagra worked until the last 6 months, now take 2 blue pills and it's barely enough. I found out that 5mg Cialis actually is prescribed for BPH & ED been on a week, it has definitely helped the BPH, haven't tried for ED but just doesn't seem powerful enough. I too quit drinking 2 years ago, no drugs, not even a cigar, so I know the feeling about giving up all the things we love. I have been overweight for 20 years and it is contributing to my ED, as well as a factor in PCa, so now will have to give up enjoyable food. I told the Urologist at Mayo, I'm not interested in surgery or radical radiation that has a chance of taking away what little potency I have left. The bible say we should live to 3 score & 10 so 70 years old, I have got my time in. Hopefully the biopsy will be 3+3=6 Gleason so Active surveillance will be the plan. My Dad had PC and RP at 64 back in 1984 left him impotent for the rest of his life, the PC had escaped during surgery, but with drugs from Mayo, he lived to age 90 when it finally went into the bone. He lost his wife ( my Mom) at 82, he was always in a good mood, played golf until 87, so there is life after sex.

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As I said in my initial post, my PSA number was 12.2 two weeks ago. I was told to get a retest yesterday. I did and it now reads 9.6. I'm not sure what that means. I like the trajectory but I think I should still do a follow-up.

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@stew80

As I said in my initial post, my PSA number was 12.2 two weeks ago. I was told to get a retest yesterday. I did and it now reads 9.6. I'm not sure what that means. I like the trajectory but I think I should still do a follow-up.

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You definitely should see your PCP or a Urologist. You could have Prostatitis and that would be cured with antibiotics. Most likely they will recommend another PSA as your last test was lower. You're in your 80's I believe from your initial post and our PSA numbers rise as we age. You may have nothing to worry about,l, but see a doctor to be sure.

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@ranger44

I just turned 70 last October, at my annual physical & blood tests, my PSA had jumped from 4.47 6 months earlier to 6.62 so my Primary Care Doc referred me to Urologist who ordered MRI and 4K score test. Multi parametric MRI showed 12mm lesion and PIRADS 4, the blood test marker 4K score was maximum at 95 I am scheduled in a week at Mayo for Fusion perineal needle biopsy. Prostate size was 50 cc and I've had BPH symptoms for last 4-5 years, also ED for the last 10 years, but Viagra worked until the last 6 months, now take 2 blue pills and it's barely enough. I found out that 5mg Cialis actually is prescribed for BPH & ED been on a week, it has definitely helped the BPH, haven't tried for ED but just doesn't seem powerful enough. I too quit drinking 2 years ago, no drugs, not even a cigar, so I know the feeling about giving up all the things we love. I have been overweight for 20 years and it is contributing to my ED, as well as a factor in PCa, so now will have to give up enjoyable food. I told the Urologist at Mayo, I'm not interested in surgery or radical radiation that has a chance of taking away what little potency I have left. The bible say we should live to 3 score & 10 so 70 years old, I have got my time in. Hopefully the biopsy will be 3+3=6 Gleason so Active surveillance will be the plan. My Dad had PC and RP at 64 back in 1984 left him impotent for the rest of his life, the PC had escaped during surgery, but with drugs from Mayo, he lived to age 90 when it finally went into the bone. He lost his wife ( my Mom) at 82, he was always in a good mood, played golf until 87, so there is life after sex.

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Let us know the results of your biopsy.

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Saw doc today. PSA was 12.3 a few weeks ago. Last week was 9.6. With the DRE today she felt an small 'irregularity' or bump at the back of the prostate. Scheduled me for a Urologist appt. 2-4 weeks wait. Prostate is somewhat enlarged but not excessive. Not sure what the Urologist will do. I'm 83 and very healthy otherwise.

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If I understood correctly, your PSA (a not infallible measure of prostate cancer activity) *declined* over a few weeks. To my minimally-informed mind, that would suggest the higher PSA reading was caused by something other than cancer -- which, I also understand, you have not yet confirmed.

I well know it is difficult not to worry when one hears or thinks "cancer," but I went almost twenty years after my diagnosis before I felt I needed to do something (at PSA 56). If the same were to be true for you, that would put you at 103 years old -- see if you can put off any worrying for those next 2-4 weeks.🙂

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Thank you for this encouraging reply. I needed to read this today. Every little thing now (some current lower back pain for example) takes me to a gloomy place. I have a family doctor appt tomorrow. Apparently she has heard back from a Urologist (after a referral request) and she wants to share what direction is suggested.
I'll post how that went after the appointment tomorrow.

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