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Zero energy 3+ years after radiation and Firmagon for Stage 1 PC
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Good afternoon,
This is such a valuable discussion and I appreciate everyone's insight and sharing your personal experiences. Having been on TRT for 15+ years (Androgel, Testim, and then injections), my T level was 770 when I was diagnosed with PC. I immediately stopped the TRT and within a few weeks, my T level was 55. Perhaps I did not need the ADT but as I trusted my RO, I opted to go with his plan. My PSA when diagnosed was 2.82 and has been 0.03 post-Proton zaps (29) and three months of Orgovyx. As I've added some supplements my energy levels have improved and I can play Pickleball for 2-3 hours again (we'll see as the temperatures rise here in Florida), but my muscle strength and overall stamina is still much lower than before all of this. Thanks to 'mybeatles', I will try the Life Extension Testosterone Elite (my RO gave his ok) and I am also planning to start taking Thorne Hormone Advantage (formerly DIM Advantage) in an effort to offset the estrogen levels.
From the Thorne website:
Wellness Benefits for Men:
Enhances the level of testosterone
Supports prostate health
Promotes an optimal ratio of estrogen to testosterone
Men with excess estrogen can develop enlarged breast tissue or experience less than ideal erectile function. Hormone Advantage assists with reduction of estrogen receptor activation in areas of high receptor density, such as in breast and erectile tissue
Reducing excess estrogen aids in physical fitness, energy, and weight management
We (my better half and I) are very grateful for every day together and after I submit this reply I will be back planning trips/cruises for us!
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Michael,
Just to let you, and the others, know that in the Life Extension Testosterone Elite in addition to the patented "Tesnor" pomegranate compound and the cacao ingredient there is also 275mg of "luteolin", a flower extract that has been proven to safely reduce the production of estrogen. That is quite beneficial when a man's system is being triggered to produce at least some testosterone. I see from your above discussion that the Thorne Hormone supplement apparently contains a similar ingredient to block estrogen, so perhaps you should wait a while before adding that product to your regimen as I have no idea if "too much" estrogen blocking can in any way be detrimental. Who knows, maybe the combination will work wonders, but I always like to pinpoint if, and which, particular supplement or food is making "the difference" before adding another item. I initially took the Testosterone Elite for almost six months before my next blood test and my "T" increased from just above 0 to 149. I continued in that range for two years before being cleared for a return to Androgel, which shot my "T" up to 850 within 4 months, while also unfortunately compromising my kidney, liver, and hemoglobin/hematocrit levels; not a good thing ! I immediately stopped the Androgel and have thankfully seen almost all of my compromised numbers return to their previous levels, with the exception of my liver enzymes, which seem to be taking their sweet time in being lowered, though they have dropped a bit. Besides adding a single square daily of Ghiradelli 72% Dark Chocolate and a few servings per week of asparagus, both proven to contribute to an increase of "T", and the recent addition of another Life Extension supplement: Pomegrante Extract (contains only pomegranate extract and in combination with the more complex Testosterone Elite puts me just a shade above the usual suggested max of 750mg for pomegranate extracts), I am not doing anything else at the moment. I stick to my light weight exercises, long walks, super careful diet which I've always eaten anyway, and just maintain my strongly positive attitude about my life, my family, my overall exceptionally good health, and of course, The Beatles !
I hope some of my thoughts can be helpful to you, and the others. Be well !!!