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Mar 2, 2017 · stopping Carvedilol (Coreg): When will the effects wear off? in Heart & Blood Health

Hey buddy @predictable – I think I responded earlier, but just wanted to reiterate that my symptoms are exactly that of ‘hyperventilation – syndrome’, however there must be a root cause for it. My bp was within range when I visited my cardiologist that day… even previous blood work results were like perfect. There is a mental dysfunction switch for any type of situation that could be dangerous imo. Mine at that time – simply turned off – like the no-fear of driving at speed on a crowded freeway. I LOST that confidence, that I had had for more than 40 years. It’s a real switch.

I’m not saying that I’m cured, but I am definitely on the watch list, and watching myself. Heh, I will tell you there is a devil on my shoulder shaking his head in disgust saying to me – You’re joking about this right?

I’m like – YEP! It is a joke. Unfortunately this has crawled into my head like an alien and I fight it with fake insults. I works though.
Take care and thanks!

Mar 2, 2017 · stopping Carvedilol (Coreg): When will the effects wear off? in Heart & Blood Health

Well @mrsdeecee yeah, that’s the scary part for me. When the condition arises, my body knows it and knows its’ limitations. I still have the situation creep up in heavy fast traffic from time to time but my brain corrects it rather quickly now. I’m the guy in traffic that aggressive ppl hate, when they are on my ass wanting to do 75 when I’m doing 72, I’m 100 yards behind the other car in front of me with PLENTY of stopping distance ahead. I have a dash cam that I use 24/7, and today I decided to face it backwards because that’s where all of the threats are. (But not because I fear them, I just love having driving idiocy on the record – I call it my bash cam instead of a dash cam).

When I first had to deal with this situation last month, it WAS a full blown panic attack and I had no idea what it was! That was why I pulled off and called my son to come get me because I didn’t feel safe driving at all. I was hyperventilating walking around a gas station and it was so hard to control. I have been driving in this soup since 1974 (I think).

It is and will always be the craziest thing I have ever dealt with in my life.
This is not something, once it takes control even sub-consciously, is easy to deal with. I thank God I have found a mechanism that helps me cope with it so well! Driving is great again! I am blessed and lucky.

Feb 9, 2017 · stopping Carvedilol (Coreg): When will the effects wear off? in Heart & Blood Health

Thanks for the link. Holy cow, these ppl are like my condition times 10! Yikes, this is scary stuff!

Feb 9, 2017 · stopping Carvedilol (Coreg): When will the effects wear off? in Heart & Blood Health

Well I had no choice. It was like a last resort for me bc I had to drive 60 miles home thru insane traffic. and I’m like FU people I am NOT gonna go hyperventilating out of FEAR of YOU assholes! hahaha. (That’s the internal me fighting back). In previous days I would just get angry and ask myself “WTF is going on? This is not ME?!!! I’m angry at myself!”. This time I changed the focus of anger from myself to everyone else and rebuilt my manhood on the spot. Yes that’s what it was. A very debilitating situation but it is, what it was.
Thanks for the link.

Feb 9, 2017 · stopping Carvedilol (Coreg): When will the effects wear off? in Heart & Blood Health

@lola63 If you have issues with BP – A few years ago I was on Lisinopril 20mg plus Bisoprolol, and that worked GREAT, with no side effects. My BP has always been very difficult to manage. My family history is horrible with BP and heart disease.

Feb 9, 2017 · stopping Carvedilol (Coreg): When will the effects wear off? in Heart & Blood Health

@predictable I had an ICD/(wannabe pacemaker) installed Nov 2015 for tachycardia. For all I can tell it’s triggered once and I never knew it. I guess the meds are doing their job.

Feb 9, 2017 · stopping Carvedilol (Coreg): When will the effects wear off? in Heart & Blood Health

Thanks for the interest Colleen,
The same way I went after my manic-depression issues in the late 90’s. I thought about it a CRAP-TON every day and took meds to help me thru work. That was then and I had a friend helped me with zoloft while I worked through it.

But not this time.
I am in really heavy traffic and fast moving thru atlanta every day, like all day. The back story is this: Every day for the last few years every time I got on the freeway (which here is MASSIVE and fast and crazy), I asked myself, at what age and when will I have to quit doing this because it just becomes too scary and ridiculous for me to handle it? I mean, you never see elderly people driving on these mega roads… This was a mental issue with me. Take it one step further, and age-versus-competence thing. It’s like… Can you drive forever in these conditions as you get older? (Question to self). Apparently, I’ve not been paying attention that much, and as the calming effect of (25/50mg) Carvedilol wore off (because I didn’t refill it), the symptoms that I were really feeling started to show up in true form in sub-consciously going into hyperventilation when I was driving! This was one of the most difficult things I have ever had to handle in my life.

This is such a new thing for me. I had no idea that the brain had ‘switches’ that could be turned off and on like this so quickly as I have done. To stop driving here would have taken me out financially and I would have become destitute.

To reiterate – and to acknowledge @predictable ‘s support of using Carvedilol, I gotta say – this drug, for all I can tell is one of the best things for CHF patients, but in this dosage, is very powerful, and has side effects. I take like 10 different things for my condition, most are supplements like potassium, magnesium (usual stuff for diuretics), and if you met me you would never know I was living with chf. It’s a testament to my cardiologists and medical tech these days. 20 years ago I figure people like me would be half dead already. I’m not and I work my ass off every day. I enjoy it.

As an example my daily dose of 50mg which is 2 x 25mg Carvedilol, literally makes my stomach muscles want to churn/spasm or tighten up. I used to think it was the hydralazine doing this, but now I know better. It also put a huge clamp on my psycho-issues with driving fear. I am so used to this, since 2015.

Honestly, I am so lucky I think. I have spent the last week talking with other ppl that deal with panic and anxiety attacks and stuff, none which take the meds that I do – and I figured out that this kind of thing can happen to anyone.

For me, and I must say it was awesome that I figured this out so quick!

It almost sounds stupid! Yesterday I changed my habits in driving and I started bitching at the other cars and trucks on the freeway thru atlanta like I’m a Rock God on the road and everybody else sucks, are immature, and is probably texting and doing facebook, like I’m better than they are. Crap this worked. I drove 60 miles through heavy crap traffic and never had a single episode of fear, or even impending hyperventilation.

Today did it again – only this time, I paid much less attention to being an alpha male ass (I wanna kick trucker butt), and thought about other things. Drove 120 miles round trip through atlanta. My confidence was back. Not even a hint of stress doing my usual thing.

There is a lot to process here. 1 week ago I was passing out on the side of the road – either that or having to stop because I was hyperventilating. Today I’m back to normal. I thank God for the revelations that have enabled me to gain control of my life again.

At 58 years old, this is the most insane thing I have ever dealt with.

Thanks for listening. Hope everyone is well.

Feb 8, 2017 · stopping Carvedilol (Coreg): When will the effects wear off? in Heart & Blood Health

Update: Got back on Carvedilol last week and the crazy anxiety symptoms went away. Since then I’ve also figured out that the Carvedilol was masking the symptoms of a psychological issue that I didn’t even know I had developed. The issue was that I had sub-consciously lost confidence in high speed high volume traffic over a short period of time. That has since been addressed – now all my anxiety/hyperventilation crap is gone. It never was the meds. The anxiety issue was with me.
Thanks all!