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When you have anxiety or depression, exercise often seems like the last thing you want to do. But once you get motivated, exercise can make a big difference. Has exercise ever helped you ease depression symptoms? How did you get motivated?
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depression has invaded my life like a fungus growing on a tree…it doesn’t just grow on the one side as a real fungus does, it wraps itself completely around me…i am not a lesser person because of the depression, but sometimes i feel as if i am…tonight i am dealing with the pain of a nerve stinging, burning running out at the base of my left big toe…i have taken ibuprofen, lyrica and have put two pain patches on my spine…i have been dealing with a lot of pain for the past few weeks…now it appears it all has settled in that one nerve…i want to scream, but it’s 1:15 am and i have close neighbors…would it help to scream, no…but i still want to do it…when my husband died, i went to the farthest room in my house and just let loose…i can’t do that here…tonight i feel closed in, trapped…i have no control over this nerve…i have no way to stop the pain…no way to live with it…i’ve been to bed, now i’m up for the night it looks like…dear God, how do we live through this…i understand the concept of suicide…not that i would do it, but i can see why someone would…i’m not always this dull…pain seems to override me…sciatica has been grinding into the right hip and leg…that doesn’t even register tonight…i need to beat on that big toe…i need to stomp on it…i need to rip it off my foot…God please, ease the pain…give me a bit of relief…pray for me…pray for others dealing with pain…physical or emotional…i’m going to close now…i’ve never written while in this strong of a pain before…i don’t know a lot of what i’m saying…i’ll read it tomorrow and cringe…
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To @kaykat and @grammydove Yes, laughter is great medicine. I have DVDs of some of my favorite sit-coms. MASH, Barney Miller, and Frasier are some of my favorites. Some of the older sit-coms have lots of humor without being sarcastic, I like those best.
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I don’t know if you live in an area where the water is fluoridated. Some depressions tables have fluoride in them as well.
I would ask the doctor to test to see if you have an excess of fluoride in your system and not take depression tablets that include fluoride in them.
Well @grammydove your message really struck a chord with quite a few members. Thank you for being so honest with your feelings.
Welcome @kaykat. I’m glad to see that this discussion encouraged you to make your first post today too. I guess we know that at least you, me and @hopeful33250 share a similar vintage. In know all the TV shows you both mention. Kaykat, I also invite you to join the welcoming group talking about Parkinsons in the Brain & Nervous System group: http://mayocl.in/2abXKUs
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thank you all for your support and advice…i do some stretching exercises in bed and sitting watching tv…i stretch everything that i can, even my jaw bones…lol…my son always said if i get arthiritis it would be in my jaw bones…lol…i sometimes feel as if i’m whining when i tell someone about my problems…i don’t mean to be, i just am overwhelmed with my pain or problem at the time and it automatically comes out…’friends’ sometimes tell me i dwell on my pain too much…yeah, i say, i do…but you don’t know how much my pain dwells on me…there are so many folks i run into that say ‘wow, you are a lot of fun’…these are friends of my son or others that know of me but haven’t met me before…i was active, i was a runner, played on tennis leagues, played games with the grandkids, fished, walked, bowled on leagues, cleaned house like God was coming to visit…i am not the dead like body most see now, but i sure do act like it…i still like to ‘cut-up’ anytime i get a chance to…most times to cover the fact that i hurt so much and i need a mask to cover me…well, guess what…i just had an epiphany…that sentence about cuttting up to hide behind the mask is a revelation to me…it is something i didn’t know about me…i am just writing from the gut again today…maybe i knew it i just hadn’t accepted it…
alyse, you said a mouthful when you said offering advice and support never had too much to say…when we read these supportive messages it gets our minds off our pains and troubles…i have sat down and just written pretty, thought-provoking words just to grab onto beauty and joy to ease myself…i take long showers to feel the water beating, caressing my body…i let the water cascade over my head to ease the tension caused by stress…i even discuss different viewpoints of our journey through this world with my shih zhus…lady sue bug and lady maggie bird…you’d be thoroughly surprized how cathartic this is…
i think we, in this priviledged group we are blessed to be in, sometimes take ourselves too seriously…it shows on our faces and in our stature…we are masters of disguise…we hide feelings very well…and suddenly, with that reckless abandon, we let loose and tell someone we are in so much pain we could scream, they look at us with that astonished, open mouthed stare of the, o, no and she’s gonna tell me about it, folks…
i spend a lot of time by myself …mostly because i don’t won’t to become a bore to people…i had a psychatrist tell me i was a boring person…i resented that..but i had to admit he was right…i had been hiding behind that mask, cause i didn’t want him inside my head…he finally decided he could get inside my head by making me angry…be aware, that is a very useful tool professional psych people use to get inside…he couldn’t make me angry at him and he was befuddled by my ability to let things slide off my back…my ability to hide behind my mask was stronger than his ability to make me angry…
all of you have touched my heart in ways no one has for years…into my beautiful soul…if i’m able i will support and not advise you anytime you need it…i’m 65 and chocked full of advice and support…i’m funny, open, very sympathetic and muchly empathetic…i am also full of anecdotes of my child, grandchildren, me and my animals just bursting at the seams…just to get your mind off pains and problems…i look forward to shares of your best anecdotes…
love and respect to all,
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@grammydove Wow! You have a remarkable ability to be authentic with people! I so admire that – I’m glad to get to know you a little better. Right now I’m facing an aortic valve replacement and I can get pretty “into myself” but this forum is a great place to find inspiration. I’m glad that you are part of it! Best wishes for a good day~ Teresa
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i do, i’ve never known that…i’ll ask him…thanks…
Grammydove When you are at that time where you need your friends and family the most that is time when you know who they really are. For better or for worse. But it is also the time when you are amazed at your own resolve. You get right up and you just march on and you change and work and people who thought they knew you will see you in awwwwe. Keep fighting and staying in touch with us and we will fight right along with you. Things that are on your to do list start doing and if you do not have one make one. Be crazy be wild look at your list laugh or smile so something on it and if the list is not right do it all again. You may see life or your surroundings different at that’s ok. Life gives a chance at every opportunity to view things differently and with an open mind and heart. As you go through your life right know something later will just blow your mind. I see that in you
A wise 92-year-old man said his success was the result of a WalkADay!!!
I try to Live that???
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** Hi, @elizamail I read your post regarding Fluoride and it really got my “research” mode going. I never knew there was a correlation between fluoride, and anti-depressant drugs. I will now be looking into it further. Thank you, for adding this to the forum thread! ** 🙂
As funny as this may sound, I recall as a child, 5-10 yrs old, going to school every morning. We would do the Pledge of Allegiance, and a few little activities… Then, the school nurse would come in, with small cups of Fluoride! It was an anti-tooth decay program, by the Board of Education. Parents had to sign their children up to attend the program, and I was on the list! (I was born and raised in New York State, so I’m unsure if other states offered this program.)
I’m not sure if this type of “fluoride” is what you speak of, but to me, it is definitely worth looking into. ~My reason to do so comes from the fact that at about the age of 7 yrs old I had to start meeting with the “school psychologist”, once a week because my pediatrician had told my parents that he found me to be “depressed”! At 7yrs old!? This would have been around 1975. I was then put on a mild anti-depressive, (way too young) which my parents were unsure about but they believed strongly in my pediatrician and his care, so the medicine I did take. ~
Since I was 7 yrs old, I have been “on and off” a variety of anti-depressants. This has continued right through to my adult years! I am now 47 yrs old, and in the past 5 years, I have advocated for myself against the diagnosis of Depression, FOR ME. (Background reasons exist, that I will discuss later.)
– Yes, I do understand that there are varying levels/degrees of depression AND I know ME. –
I have to think more and research more… but being diagnosed as “depressed”, at the age of 7 and knowing of other children, as I grew up, that were also said to be “depressed”, reminded me of the ADD/A.D.H.D diagnosis, that every child seemed to suddenly have. Like an epidemic, around the 80’s… (In the late 1960’s, ADD/A.D.H.D had become ‘recognized’, by professionals. It became a diagnosis for children of about 7yrs old.) By the 1980’s, and beyond, it rose in popularity, and commonality. I recall children with the diagnosis, prescribed Ritalin, and other meds, by professionals. It seemed to have become as common as the chicken pox.
Therefore, as I read your post, my childhood, morning regimen of “fluoride rinse” popped into my mind, coupled with my diagnosis of depression, at 7 yrs old. That “Hmm” sound escaped my lips, and I started thinking about my experiences, with anti-depressants throughout my developmental stages, from child to adult. My desire to know “more” of fluoride/anti-depressants, and its affects has now become one I will not ignore. So, I thank you again, for adding this to the forum thread.
~ Kim ~
I also grew up in New York, Kim. Born in Brockport, lived in Canandaigua, graduated from high school in Jamestown.
Our kids grew up in Oregon, and took Flouride because we had a well. City water is treated with Flouride, so supplement isn’t normally necessary.
HI, @hopeful33250 Teresa, my name is Kim, I’m a fairly new forum poster, but a 2 month member of Mayo Connect. I was reading this forum’s posts in regards to grammydove’s post, and I saw your so positive, heartfelt words, that you openly gave to her.
You also wrote that you are “facing an aortic valve replacement”.
I know you don’t know me, or I you. Yet, I need you to know, when I read of what you are facing, I felt positive. Positive, that YOU will be fine. Positive that you have a strength, within you, which you may not yet recognize! You have EVERY right to be “pretty into yourself”, at this time.
I am sure you feel 1,000 emotions at once, and often lose your thoughts, to the more “fear inducing” side, of the “what ifs”. Do not wallow in them long. Face them, and tell them to leave!
Look at the beautiful words of support you offer others, as you did grammydove. Take those words, and talk to yourself, as you would others.
Talk to Teresa, as she talks to others that need support! The same words, the same tone, the same feeling of comfort! And believe in Teresa’s words, as she wants others to do, when she speaks to them.
Fear of the unknown is normal… we harbor enough “what ifs” to circle this planet a million times over.
Listen to Teresa, and her loving, comforting words, as you say them to yourself. Pray, if you are religious; take the support offered to you, by others… here, and in your daily life.
KNOW that I believe in Teresa, and her words! KNOW that I believe, you, Teresa, will be just fine.
My warmest thoughts are with you, Teresa. ~ Godspeed, my friend.~
I want to add a small part, of my own Dad’s experience, with something similar to the surgery you are to have.My father, who is now 71 years old, had the start of an “ascending aortic abdominal aneurysm”, discovered when he was approaching his mid 60’s. My father has numerous cardiac issues. He has even made his way into many a Medical Journal article, for his; “We have never seen this before…” discoveries, made by his attending physicians, and cardiac surgeons.
(My father likens himself to a cat, has always said he had 9 lives… lol to his 3 daughters, he is OUR super-hero!)
This aneurysm was monitored; numerous stents were placed, and monitored some more, for a few years. However, it was as diligent as my father himself was, and his cardiac team was losing faith in modern technologies, and decided that they needed to do more, to stop its expansion, against the aortic wall. (Mind you, my Dad had put off earlier surgeries due to his “priorities” and his ongoing support for others, family and friends alike!) Before they could do the surgery, to replace his weak, aortic valve, the aneurysm started to tear the aortic wall. While the doctor’s fretted, discussed and made decisions… My father remained upbeat, positive, and humorous! (As an honorable Vietnam vet, my Dad HAS always stated he is a SOLDIER… and you must face your enemy head on! And so he did!) He had agreed it was time to remove this enemy from within him… Albeit, this enemy had already begun a counterstrike. The aneurysm had started to tear the aortic wall, resulting in an Aortic Dissection. “A tear in the part of the aorta where it exits the heart or a tear in the upper aorta (ascending aorta), which may extend into the abdomen.” (definition obtained from Mayo Clinic – Aortic Dissection)
Emergency surgery was necessary.
(I will leave out the majority of details before and after his surgery. I am working on shortening my posts… Yeah, lol)
My father was scared, afraid of the unknown…, but POSITIVE in his will, faith, strength, and determination to beat this enemy. His faith in God, his LOVE for his family… and his positive, humor-laced self-talks… were ALL on his mind as he went for surgery. At the age of 68. ***My Dad’s surgery was emergency… yours is arranged, Teresa (I presume). My Dad put off earlier surgeries. (You, Teresa seem to have been catching things early, and dealing with them) My super-hero Dad showed me genuine, raw emotion as he went for his surgery, while continuing to tell his 3 daughters he would see them soon, and not to worry. Supporting us! (You, Teresa have spoken words of support to others, despite your own fears, and human, raw emotion you may keep to yourself) The list goes on…
My point, Teresa is… this. My Dad survived his illness AND his surgery. He recovered, and faced obstacles doing so but he did it! Even in his darkest fears, he used his own support of others, on himself… and he believed that facing his enemy was the way to beat it. ***
You may not see yourself as a soldier, as my father sees himself, but I know he would tell you this;
THAT; “YOU have this, YOU are strong and YOU ARE a soldier… because you are still using your own fears/worries, to lovingly support others! Now use that same comfort and talk to Teresa.”
(I know he’d say these things to you…I am, proudly, my father’s daughter, after all. 🙂 )
My greatest support to you, Teresa… *hugs and warm smiles* ~ Kim~
Hi @jimhd… I hope you’re having a good day! Thank you for the reply. 🙂 I grew up in Rochester, NY and now reside in Albion, NY.
Your reply though, makes me wonder why the school I attended had this “Fluoride program” then. It was a Rochester City school… but back in 1975.
I recall my parents discussing it. I know they had explained it was for my teeth. Fluoride. (So I wouldn’t swallow it… lol I remember them telling me that over and over… not to eat it lol)
I believe that both the school and our home had public water at that time. How odd. Unless it was a Federal program for Children’s Health, etc. I will have to see if either of my parents recalls this and remembers its purpose.
Now, when we moved to Kendall, NY we had a well… that was just before I turned 13. No fluoride then.
Thank you again, for your reply! 🙂
@kimsworld Thanks for your lovely words of inspiration. I so appreciate your sharing your dad’s story! He sounds like a remarkable man. I will face this with faith and with the realization that people I know in person and electronically are praying for me and wishing me well. Thanks for being one of them. Teresa
Kimsworld I like your passion to learn and explore new ideas and situations. You are right when you talk about doctors and favorite medications to childs problems and behavior. I saw this in my years of working with children in residential facililites As new drugs came out so did the need to use them with disorders Like you said they were the drug that would cure all. Seeing children as young as 7 being depressed was really heart braking. But some needed medication and some did not depending on the childs behavior and state of mind. But rule was than and now. If you give a child a psychotropic medication he would get regular counseling and what ever the child got it was not the same as given to an adult.. So keep exploring and questioning and finding ways that make you confortable in handling your depression
I used to be extremely athletic and healthy I did yoga 5 or 6 days a week until I got severely depressed and January where I can’t even go for a short walk without feeling completely fatigued. Going from a completely athletic healthy person to being basically disabled with anxiety PTSD panic and major depression alongside with severe sexual dysfunction which causes me to feel completely inapt. I cry every single day and the most I can do is take my dog out for a walk if I’m lucky all of my dreams of doing any type of dance or yoga having completely put on the back-burner I have barely any energy I can’t find any medications that work I used to love exercise and I think in a way it also exacerbated some of my nervous system issues and release cytokines which inflamed my immune system in my nervous system sometimes and become overstimulated and over activated. Does anybody else have this problem with exercising vigorously with having types of chemical imbalances or mental disorders or however you want to think about it I found that my nervous system is highly reactive I find that little things take me down so easily. My resilience is very low my tolerance is . very low on my patients are low I feel like I have pain all the time and my body even though I eat all organic food and I try to walk with my dog and get sunshine I live in a warm State I just don’t understand my body and why I’m so uncomfortable all the time
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