What stage are we at?

Posted by lost55 @lost55, Sep 17 11:05am

Hi loss55 here,
Over the past couple of weeks my wife has become exceedingly accusatory and paranoid. I am it seems, the cause of all her problems and am purposely trying to drive her crazy by taking all her things and hiding them or using them. It used to be the morning was good, afternoon better and from sundown on it got bad. Now she is waking up “bad”.
The meds no longer seem to be of much help.
Anyone have this experience and is this a sign of late middle stage?
B

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Has her primary care provider chimed in?
My husband's anti-anxiety meds don't seem to work well, either. Time for me to contact his Doc, too.

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Greetings,
I use the 7-stage model for dementia, but keep in mind it is sometimes easier to gauge stages in hindsight rather than while you are in the arena. Sounds a bit like Stage 4 or even 5, which for me as a caregiver was the most difficult transition. Perhaps because at this time our loved one has progressed beyond the simpler "I forgot your birthday" stages.

For reference, here is a very simplified explanation of the 7-Stage Model for Alzheimer’s and Dementia.
Stage 1: All is well. No dementia.
Stage 2: You notice something is “off” with your loved one, but no one else does. Very mild cognitive decline. You may notice, but doctors, loved ones, and friends do not.
Stage 3: You know something is wrong, and others sense something is “off.” Mild cognitive decline. Loved ones begin to notice, decreased performance at work.
Stage 4: Everyone notices. You enter panic mode and begin seeking help from doctors. This is your transition from spouse to caregiver. Early-stage dementia, moderate cognitive decline. Difficulty socializing, concentrating, forgets recent events, trouble with finances. Day/date/time difficulties. Caregiver(s) becoming more involved in managing tasks for the patient.
Stage 5: Your loved one can no longer manage alone. Mid-stage dementia. Needs assistance with all activities of daily living. No short-term memory. Confusion and forgetfulness. Urinary incontinence may begin. Caregivers seek hands-on help. This is when caregivers seem to discover this forum, many of them already desperate and exhausted.
Stage 6: Speech makes no sense, personality and memories are completely gone. Mid-to-late-stage dementia. Does not know anyone’s name. Communication difficulties, both in speaking and understanding the spoken word, inappropriate behavior, may be agitated, wandering, no longer recalls personal history, address, or phone number. Double incontinent. Must be supervised and managed 24/7. Caregiver(s) require help now.
Stage 7: Can no longer walk unassisted, nor eat or drink without assistance. May be bedridden. Late-stage dementia: Difficulty eating and swallowing, angry outbursts, loss of speech. Must be supervised and managed 24/7. This is the final stage before death.

I hope you find this helpful, and I am sorry you are on this awful journey with us.
Love Bill2001

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Has her primary care provider chimed in?
My husband's anti-anxiety meds don't seem to work well, either. Time for me to contact his Doc, too.

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@judimahoney
Yes PC is tuned in. About the only thing left is Rexulti which carries too many risks for her age and disease stage. Already taking the 3 major drugs for Alzheimer’s plus an SSRI.

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Greetings,
I use the 7-stage model for dementia, but keep in mind it is sometimes easier to gauge stages in hindsight rather than while you are in the arena. Sounds a bit like Stage 4 or even 5, which for me as a caregiver was the most difficult transition. Perhaps because at this time our loved one has progressed beyond the simpler "I forgot your birthday" stages.

For reference, here is a very simplified explanation of the 7-Stage Model for Alzheimer’s and Dementia.
Stage 1: All is well. No dementia.
Stage 2: You notice something is “off” with your loved one, but no one else does. Very mild cognitive decline. You may notice, but doctors, loved ones, and friends do not.
Stage 3: You know something is wrong, and others sense something is “off.” Mild cognitive decline. Loved ones begin to notice, decreased performance at work.
Stage 4: Everyone notices. You enter panic mode and begin seeking help from doctors. This is your transition from spouse to caregiver. Early-stage dementia, moderate cognitive decline. Difficulty socializing, concentrating, forgets recent events, trouble with finances. Day/date/time difficulties. Caregiver(s) becoming more involved in managing tasks for the patient.
Stage 5: Your loved one can no longer manage alone. Mid-stage dementia. Needs assistance with all activities of daily living. No short-term memory. Confusion and forgetfulness. Urinary incontinence may begin. Caregivers seek hands-on help. This is when caregivers seem to discover this forum, many of them already desperate and exhausted.
Stage 6: Speech makes no sense, personality and memories are completely gone. Mid-to-late-stage dementia. Does not know anyone’s name. Communication difficulties, both in speaking and understanding the spoken word, inappropriate behavior, may be agitated, wandering, no longer recalls personal history, address, or phone number. Double incontinent. Must be supervised and managed 24/7. Caregiver(s) require help now.
Stage 7: Can no longer walk unassisted, nor eat or drink without assistance. May be bedridden. Late-stage dementia: Difficulty eating and swallowing, angry outbursts, loss of speech. Must be supervised and managed 24/7. This is the final stage before death.

I hope you find this helpful, and I am sorry you are on this awful journey with us.
Love Bill2001

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@bill2001
Hi definitely sounds like late stage 4. During the mid day she is rational and very functional but after a certain time at night and now in the morning it all goes to “ delusion and paranoia, toss in agitation and just plain nastiness.”
It’s been a good 6 years since the changes began. Although she is now past the age of when her mother passed from Alzheimer’s.

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@judimahoney
Yes PC is tuned in. About the only thing left is Rexulti which carries too many risks for her age and disease stage. Already taking the 3 major drugs for Alzheimer’s plus an SSRI.

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@lost55
This is a head-scratcher! Seems like you've tapped into all the experts and meds already.
There's a show on Netflix called Diagnosis. Folks with challenging medical conditions get assistance from experts all around the world to help address their issue.
Seems like it may take a village to solve this one. Hopefully someone on this Mayo blog can shed a light. Good luck to you. 🌻

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Greetings,
I use the 7-stage model for dementia, but keep in mind it is sometimes easier to gauge stages in hindsight rather than while you are in the arena. Sounds a bit like Stage 4 or even 5, which for me as a caregiver was the most difficult transition. Perhaps because at this time our loved one has progressed beyond the simpler "I forgot your birthday" stages.

For reference, here is a very simplified explanation of the 7-Stage Model for Alzheimer’s and Dementia.
Stage 1: All is well. No dementia.
Stage 2: You notice something is “off” with your loved one, but no one else does. Very mild cognitive decline. You may notice, but doctors, loved ones, and friends do not.
Stage 3: You know something is wrong, and others sense something is “off.” Mild cognitive decline. Loved ones begin to notice, decreased performance at work.
Stage 4: Everyone notices. You enter panic mode and begin seeking help from doctors. This is your transition from spouse to caregiver. Early-stage dementia, moderate cognitive decline. Difficulty socializing, concentrating, forgets recent events, trouble with finances. Day/date/time difficulties. Caregiver(s) becoming more involved in managing tasks for the patient.
Stage 5: Your loved one can no longer manage alone. Mid-stage dementia. Needs assistance with all activities of daily living. No short-term memory. Confusion and forgetfulness. Urinary incontinence may begin. Caregivers seek hands-on help. This is when caregivers seem to discover this forum, many of them already desperate and exhausted.
Stage 6: Speech makes no sense, personality and memories are completely gone. Mid-to-late-stage dementia. Does not know anyone’s name. Communication difficulties, both in speaking and understanding the spoken word, inappropriate behavior, may be agitated, wandering, no longer recalls personal history, address, or phone number. Double incontinent. Must be supervised and managed 24/7. Caregiver(s) require help now.
Stage 7: Can no longer walk unassisted, nor eat or drink without assistance. May be bedridden. Late-stage dementia: Difficulty eating and swallowing, angry outbursts, loss of speech. Must be supervised and managed 24/7. This is the final stage before death.

I hope you find this helpful, and I am sorry you are on this awful journey with us.
Love Bill2001

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@bill2001 -thank you for this. I wish it were printable.

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@bill2001 -thank you for this. I wish it were printable.

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@2me It is printable, it took me a while to figure it out, but, I take my PC cursor and highlight the text I'm reading in blue, in this case, what Bill is saying. then I right click print and save to your documents (microsoft to pdf) so it saves in my document file or print to your printer if you want an immediate hardcopy.
Hope this helps.
Best, Karla

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Profile picture for bill2001 @bill2001

Greetings,
I use the 7-stage model for dementia, but keep in mind it is sometimes easier to gauge stages in hindsight rather than while you are in the arena. Sounds a bit like Stage 4 or even 5, which for me as a caregiver was the most difficult transition. Perhaps because at this time our loved one has progressed beyond the simpler "I forgot your birthday" stages.

For reference, here is a very simplified explanation of the 7-Stage Model for Alzheimer’s and Dementia.
Stage 1: All is well. No dementia.
Stage 2: You notice something is “off” with your loved one, but no one else does. Very mild cognitive decline. You may notice, but doctors, loved ones, and friends do not.
Stage 3: You know something is wrong, and others sense something is “off.” Mild cognitive decline. Loved ones begin to notice, decreased performance at work.
Stage 4: Everyone notices. You enter panic mode and begin seeking help from doctors. This is your transition from spouse to caregiver. Early-stage dementia, moderate cognitive decline. Difficulty socializing, concentrating, forgets recent events, trouble with finances. Day/date/time difficulties. Caregiver(s) becoming more involved in managing tasks for the patient.
Stage 5: Your loved one can no longer manage alone. Mid-stage dementia. Needs assistance with all activities of daily living. No short-term memory. Confusion and forgetfulness. Urinary incontinence may begin. Caregivers seek hands-on help. This is when caregivers seem to discover this forum, many of them already desperate and exhausted.
Stage 6: Speech makes no sense, personality and memories are completely gone. Mid-to-late-stage dementia. Does not know anyone’s name. Communication difficulties, both in speaking and understanding the spoken word, inappropriate behavior, may be agitated, wandering, no longer recalls personal history, address, or phone number. Double incontinent. Must be supervised and managed 24/7. Caregiver(s) require help now.
Stage 7: Can no longer walk unassisted, nor eat or drink without assistance. May be bedridden. Late-stage dementia: Difficulty eating and swallowing, angry outbursts, loss of speech. Must be supervised and managed 24/7. This is the final stage before death.

I hope you find this helpful, and I am sorry you are on this awful journey with us.
Love Bill2001

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@bill2001
I think my husband is at stage 5 dementia. My question is--when would it be best to move him to a memory care facility rather than keeping him at home? He is "okay" much of the time. The worst time is overnight when he wakes up (and is still dreaming?)and takes off his clothes and now the bedsheets, etc. I would prefer him to be at home. We have 24-hr care given support.
I would prefer to keep him home if possible.

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@2me It is printable, it took me a while to figure it out, but, I take my PC cursor and highlight the text I'm reading in blue, in this case, what Bill is saying. then I right click print and save to your documents (microsoft to pdf) so it saves in my document file or print to your printer if you want an immediate hardcopy.
Hope this helps.
Best, Karla

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@kjc48
Brilliant! Thank you, Karla!

I typically am on my iPad, but this solution will work great.

I appreciate your help (and as always, great advice!). Be well.

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@bill2001
I think my husband is at stage 5 dementia. My question is--when would it be best to move him to a memory care facility rather than keeping him at home? He is "okay" much of the time. The worst time is overnight when he wakes up (and is still dreaming?)and takes off his clothes and now the bedsheets, etc. I would prefer him to be at home. We have 24-hr care given support.
I would prefer to keep him home if possible.

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@mariebrown4338 I have the same hard decision to make with a twist. That is, we live in a CCRC and the whole reason that we moved here is that memory care would be readily available when it became evident that my husband should move from our independent living apartment. I think he is between stage 4 and 5 right now, and I am feeling overloaded, taking care of everything regarding our household and him to a certain extent. He has not yet developed any issues where I have to care for him physically although hygeine has declined. His memory and executive function abilities are really shot. Any ideas as to what would be the deciding factor to move him to memory care, which is actually in the same complex as our apartment and where I could easily visit.

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