Need help to lower high cholesterol & high triglycerides
I have AFib & a pacemaker for sick sinus syndrome. I have been on a vegan diet since Oct. 2019 + 4 meds for paroxysmal atrial fibrillation, etc. (flecainide acetate 50 mg, diltiazem hydrocl 180 mg, metoprolol succ 25 mg). I thought very low oil and removing added salt and ‘flesh’ would help, but not really.
Any ideas…really hesitant of red yeast rice and statins. Thanks, @lov
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I think you need to have a discussion with your doctor. I was on statin many years ago and discontinued it because of side effects. I discussed it with my doctor and told the route of lifestyle changes. My cholesterol and trygleride were not as high as yours. I cut out all sugar, started walking more and eat more healthy. The numbers came down to an acceptable level. But then I had a TIA this year and my cardiologist put me back on statin again. Low dosage every other day. When I think about it, I'd rather put up with a little discomfort of side effect than have a stroke. I don't know what your lifestyle is, there are alot of factors that affect the cholesterol level so it's best you have an honest talk with your doctor about your hesitation on statin therapy. Do you have a family history of cholesterol problem? I hope you get the help you need. Best wishes.
mayofeb2020 give the statin a try. Sometimes the best diet, and exercise won't be enough. Red yeast rice doesn't work. If you dont like statins, there is Repatha, an injection every two weeks.
Hi lov, you mentioned “very low oil.” Elaborate a bit, e.g. do you use ANY oil in your food preparation? Do you avoid eating at cafes and restaurants where we have little control? High fat foods e.g., olives, avocados, nuts?
I have been using Dr. Esselstyn's program from "Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease" and I think his goal is no more than 12 grams of oil a day or less…no nuts, no olive oil, olives, no flesh, no processed foods. I haven't gone out to eat since Oct. 2019. I was encouraged to try the nutritional therapy 100%. This may be genetic…maternal grandfather died from a 'worn out heart', maternal grandmother died from a stroke, my half sister died from cardiac arrhythmia. Sad, but I was told years ago by my orthopedist, some people aren't meant to exercise, and he said you are one of them. Since childhood had Charlie horses, scoliosis, ligamentous laxity (lose ligaments), degenerative disc disease, bursitis, arthritis, back strain, and muscles knotting up, so when I try to do anything more than chair yoga, like walking, or exercise I end up in trouble. Have cardiologist appt. on 3/24. PCP/Internists doesn't want to handle cholesterol. I have outlived all of the family older than me, so I have much to be grateful for. My parents died in an accident when they were 48 and 54, I'm 74, so I will just keep trying options. Thanks for asking.
Thanks, are you using them with out side effects?
mayofeb2020 I tried statins but couldn't tolerate them but many drugs bother my g.i. tract so do not let that stop you. My best friend's husband is a cardiologist and he has been on statins for years. And I know many people who take them.
I have been prescribed Repatha (Amgen) other name evoculomab. I give myself an injection every two weeks and it has definitely brought my cholesterol down. I am not aware of any side effects. (I am a small person who eats in a healthy way and weighs 107 lbs.) Probably hereditary.
Now diet. It definitely helps but my numbers are very very high (or were).
Here are foods that are known and proven to lower cholesterol : oats, oatmeal, nuts, soy milk, tofu, tempeh, lentils, beans, pectin rich fruits like apples and pears, eggplant, okra, olive oil, canola oil, margarines that have phytosterols in them that lower cholesterol, psyllium (which is what Metamucil is but can be purchased from in the natural foods section and mixed into smoothies), oranges (the pith is actually good for lowering cholesterol). A researcher, and doctor, Dr.David Jenkins at a major Canadian hospital (and person who created the glycemic index) came up with what he called, "The Profile Diet". Google Dr.David Jenkins. I did follow this diet for about 2 years quite strictly (although I did continue to eat fish and some chicken) and my numbers did go down. Dr.Jenkins is a vegan. However, incorporating even a few of the components of the Profile diet will be helpful. A handful of almonds a day for starters.
Statins are not an expensive drug, and have been around for years and widely studied. So, if I could have stayed on them I would have.
Sue225.. Thank you so much for your advice. My cholesterol was all within range until I had my TIA, then my cardiologist put me on statin, I'm now on 10 mg of prevastatin every other day which is not a high dose. He also put me on Xeralto, a blood thinner, one of the side effects is muscle weakness. Now I don't know which drug causes pain in my legs. Walking is getting difficult because my knees feel sore and weak. This is a problem I never had before. I also weigh about 107/108 lbs. I eat pretty healthy.. no red meat, only lean chicken breasts and salmon. Lots and lots of vegetables. Steel cut oats, walnuts and blueberries is my go to breakfast. No butter, only olive oil. Also banana, Pears, and apples. No sugary cookies. Don't know what else I can do.
@mayofeb2020 Has the pravastatin lowered /not lowered your cholesterol? (Have you been on it long enough to have a follow-up bloodtest)?
Have you researched the common adverse side effects of the two medications you are on? I have read that statins can cause muscle pain. (Sometimes pharmacists can be quite helpful). There are quite a few different statins available.
The drug manufacturer for both drugs will have the info on line if it did not come with your prescription.
I'm sure the Mayo Clinic site will have info on statins. If you google both you'll find reliable sites. Also if you haven't already ask your doctor. And also ask about Repatha which is not a statin. It is a biologic.
I also know from a close friend who has CVD, that there is more than one type of blood thinner. (If it is the blood thinner causing the problem). You need to have a chat with the doctor to help you sort out these problems. (But research the meds on reliable sites prior to your apptmnt).
Hello Sue, You can watch an excellent and revealing documentary on cholesterol on line but only from Canada. It is Dr. David Suzuki's The Nature of Things on Cholesterol. My husband who has had high cholesterol since his twenties and I watched it 3 times. Bottom line: scientists who have studied cholesterol in depth and are not affiliated or influenced by Big Pharma, state that the only people who need to be on statins for cholesterol are men in their forties who have had a heart attack. You certainly don't fall into that category. If you can watch it, here is the documentary: https://gem.cbc.ca/media/the-nature-of-things/season-54/episode-4/38e815a-00918890266
My 68 year old husband who walks an average of 8 – 10 kilometres per day and 15 – 20 km on weekends, eats plenty of vegetables and has excellent good cholesterol and triglycerides but very high bad cholesterol, refuses to go on statins. In the documentary it stated that statin use is particularly dangerous for seniors and does more harm than good. My husband's siblings are all on statins. Although they are normal weight, they are all now diabetic due to statin use. One sister wasted away losing all muscle mass. And who knows what damage was done to their livers. According to the statin makers themselves, statins cause memory loss.
So why do doctors continue to prescribe statins? According to many doctors who dare to be so outspoken, if they don't prescribe them to their patients and let's say one has a heart attack or blocked artery (which can happen to us all), that patient could sue the doctor, blaming the heart attack on the doctor's failure to prescribe statins. Not only are doctors afraid of litigation from patients but they are also afraid of Big Pharma that could ruin their careers. Doctors' hands are tied.
The new standard to measure heart health is no longer cholesterol but triglycerides which measure inflammation in the body.
You say that statins have been widely studied…by scientists paid by Big Pharma. There are plenty of independent studies that show how ineffective statins are and even harmful, especially in the elderly.
There are many articles showing research published by the world's leading site on medical research results called NCBI. But check WHO is doing the research. And then you have to google names of researchers to see if there is an association with the drug companies. In any case, it will show you the side effects of statins. Here is just one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2849981/
Thanks for the info. I am not on a statin. I am taking Repatha, an injectable, which is a biologic. My diet is good. My high cholesterol is hereditary. Diet helps but not enough. I resisted all medications for several issues until the age of 63. I then decided to give the various specialists the benefit of the doubt and heed their advice. Exercise and a good diet are very important but for some of us it's just not enough.