VP's visit

Posted by ihatediabetes @ihatediabetes, Apr 29 1:15am

I have been stressed out with all the discussion on social media about VP Mike Pence’s visit to Mayo Clinic. Everyone is talking about Mike Pence not wearing a facemask. That does bother me. But now I don’t know even know what he was in Rochester for. I thought they were going to talk about testing.

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Hi @ihatediabetes, It is unfortunate that the intent of the visit was overshadowed. Vice President Mike Pence visited Mayo Clinic in Rochester to see firsthand how Mayo is providing scientific leadership to aid the national response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

You can read more about it in this article on the Mayo Clinic News Network
– Vice President Pence visits Mayo Clinic https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/vice-president-pence-visits-mayo-clinic/

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Very disappointed and angry with both the Vice-President and Mayo Clinic. Why wasn't he wearing a face mask as is the protocol of the Mayo Clinic? Just another photo op for him and selfishness on his part.

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What bothers me more is people insisting that these respirators actually work. I taught respirators for nearly 8 years in industry. Air Purifying Respirators are designed to be used in applications where face to facepiece leakage will not cause harm to the wearer, and they filter particles 0.3 um and larger to the percentage stated on the respirator, i.e. 95, 99, or 99.97% of particles 0.3 um and larger.

Covid is 0.125 um or smaller. 3M advises that Negative Pressure Air Purifying Respirators do not be used around dangerous pathogens. I wore respirators daily for over 20 years, we had Fit Tests yearly, a Quantitative Fit Test, that measures the amount of particles that get into the mask past the filters, usually by face to facepiece leakage. We wore Elastomeric respirators that fit better than Filtering Facepiece Respirators, yet they still leaked. So, anyone wearing them in the presence of an infectious atmosphere is still being exposed.

Your eyes are a point of exposure as the fluid, the tear, drains into the sinuses. People that are dressed to avoid exposure wear Powered Air Purifying Respirators that pressurize the Full Facepiece Respirator they are wearing, or otherwise provides a constant out flow of Air for special visors. In both cases, the eyes are protected. Medical personnel in Filtering Facepiece Respirators are wearing Monogoggles and visors to protect the eyes.

Face Masks, or Surgical Masks, do not protect the wearer from others, but helps protects others from the pathogens the wearer might be expressing.

Filtering Facepiece Respirators are supposed to protect the wearer, and viruses cluster, and are often stopped. Also the slalom pathway viruses take to get between the fibers helps catch small particles. Negative Pressure Air Purifying Respirators reduce, but do not eliminate, exposure to viruses.

Both surgical masks, and Filtering Facepiece Respirators, help prevent the wearer from inadvertently touching his or her mouth or nose. Surgical Masks help catch cough and sneeze products but not all. Similarly a scarf helps prevent cough or sneeze products from becoming air borne, and keeps the wearer from touching the mouth or nose.

I'm not sure why he didn't wear a respirator, but trust me, if you're wearing one and are in an infectious atmosphere, you are being exposed but at a greatly reduced amount than would occur if you were not wearing it. He might have been tested for Antibodies and found to have previously been exposed. Some people show little, to no, symptoms once infected.

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@soliloquized

What bothers me more is people insisting that these respirators actually work. I taught respirators for nearly 8 years in industry. Air Purifying Respirators are designed to be used in applications where face to facepiece leakage will not cause harm to the wearer, and they filter particles 0.3 um and larger to the percentage stated on the respirator, i.e. 95, 99, or 99.97% of particles 0.3 um and larger.

Covid is 0.125 um or smaller. 3M advises that Negative Pressure Air Purifying Respirators do not be used around dangerous pathogens. I wore respirators daily for over 20 years, we had Fit Tests yearly, a Quantitative Fit Test, that measures the amount of particles that get into the mask past the filters, usually by face to facepiece leakage. We wore Elastomeric respirators that fit better than Filtering Facepiece Respirators, yet they still leaked. So, anyone wearing them in the presence of an infectious atmosphere is still being exposed.

Your eyes are a point of exposure as the fluid, the tear, drains into the sinuses. People that are dressed to avoid exposure wear Powered Air Purifying Respirators that pressurize the Full Facepiece Respirator they are wearing, or otherwise provides a constant out flow of Air for special visors. In both cases, the eyes are protected. Medical personnel in Filtering Facepiece Respirators are wearing Monogoggles and visors to protect the eyes.

Face Masks, or Surgical Masks, do not protect the wearer from others, but helps protects others from the pathogens the wearer might be expressing.

Filtering Facepiece Respirators are supposed to protect the wearer, and viruses cluster, and are often stopped. Also the slalom pathway viruses take to get between the fibers helps catch small particles. Negative Pressure Air Purifying Respirators reduce, but do not eliminate, exposure to viruses.

Both surgical masks, and Filtering Facepiece Respirators, help prevent the wearer from inadvertently touching his or her mouth or nose. Surgical Masks help catch cough and sneeze products but not all. Similarly a scarf helps prevent cough or sneeze products from becoming air borne, and keeps the wearer from touching the mouth or nose.

I'm not sure why he didn't wear a respirator, but trust me, if you're wearing one and are in an infectious atmosphere, you are being exposed but at a greatly reduced amount than would occur if you were not wearing it. He might have been tested for Antibodies and found to have previously been exposed. Some people show little, to no, symptoms once infected.

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Just a couple questions. Aren't the airborne droplets we exhale large enough to be trapped by the mask? The surface trapping is why medical personnel typically use and discard these masks after each patient
Absent full-body hazmat suits with their own air supply and filtration, what do you suggest to reduce, not necessarily eliminate, exposure, especially for frontline workers?

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@sueinmn

Just a couple questions. Aren't the airborne droplets we exhale large enough to be trapped by the mask? The surface trapping is why medical personnel typically use and discard these masks after each patient
Absent full-body hazmat suits with their own air supply and filtration, what do you suggest to reduce, not necessarily eliminate, exposure, especially for frontline workers?

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@sueinmn– Hi. From what I've read they do not work 100% because there are too many gaps in them. BUT they do work well enough to help protect a lot of people who are ill from passing on COVID-19. Particles of the virus are larger than the mask's mesh.

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@sueinmn

Just a couple questions. Aren't the airborne droplets we exhale large enough to be trapped by the mask? The surface trapping is why medical personnel typically use and discard these masks after each patient
Absent full-body hazmat suits with their own air supply and filtration, what do you suggest to reduce, not necessarily eliminate, exposure, especially for frontline workers?

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I discovered something by 3M that is analogous to a problem with Chemical Cartridges and Organic Vapors. I was quite surprised. Organic Vapors are captured by Adsorption, not Absorption. As the Cartridge sits idle, the chemicals evaporate and can subsequently be breathed in, so a Change-out Schedule needs to be adopted that ensure that the Cartridges are changed often enough to avoid that situation. So too claims 3M that particles, and I believe they addressed pathogens, that are stopped by the mask can become liberated and at some point breathed in.

In part, due to clustering of viral particles, they are stopped by the respirators in a direct fashion, but to the stated efficiency of the mask, 95, 99, or 99.97%, meaning that some still get through. In addition, the virus is smaller, so aspects of the virus smaller than the rated ability of the respirator will be able to pass through easier, but they claim that due to alterations in air flow as it passes through fibers, some particles are entangled in the threads of material used in the construction of the Filtering Facepiece Respirator. I can fully agree with that.

But 3M Stresses that due to some particles getting through, and some particles entering via the face to facepiece seal that inevitably happens, that Negative Pressure Air Purifying Respirators must not be used against dangerous pathogens. They did not provide examples of which pathogens they are addressing.

I was surprised to see that Fit Tests are required for Filtering Facepiece Respirators, but the process is destructive, as a hole need to be poked into it to insert the tube for a quantitative test. See the following, I am not advocating the company, but the test requirements, if I read the OSHA Statement correctly, were suspended, due to the shortage of Respirator Products. I would think that due to the nature of the infection, they need to be done more often, not less. But if you're fitted for a specific make, model, and size, respirator, you must continue to wear that, I wouldn't think there is a universal size that you can use without retesting.

See:
Respirator Fit Testing / Mask Fit Testing∣ Intrinsic Analytics

Powered Air Purifying Respirators with Full Facepieces or Visor Assemblies. Search on YouTube for "Covid PAPR" without the quotation marks, they show hospital visors and PAPRs and Donning and Doffing.

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@svplamsvp

I do not understand how your amazing healthcare facility could possibly allow our Vice President to showboat during his appearance there yesterday and not wear a mask. How shameful of him. And how unsafe of you all. Really, how could you? And, to hear his excuse—I wanted to look them in the eye…just plain ridiculous.

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YES! Mayo, you dropped the ball, bigtime. He should have been met by bodyguards with a mask. You failed your patients and the nation. I am shocked and disappointed.

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I do not understand how your amazing healthcare facility could possibly allow our Vice President to showboat during his appearance there yesterday and not wear a mask. How shameful of him. And how unsafe of you all. Really, how could you? And, to hear his excuse—I wanted to look them in the eye…just plain ridiculous.

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@zep

YES! Mayo, you dropped the ball, bigtime. He should have been met by bodyguards with a mask. You failed your patients and the nation. I am shocked and disappointed.

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@mayofeb2020 I so agree with you . He was only thinking of himself as he gets tested everyday but what about the other people he is sending the wrong signal that face mask aren't important . They protect other people of coughs,sneeze and just breathing if you are sick and spread your cold for instance and this is so much worse then a cold . Mayo did drop the ball I agree.

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@colleenyoung

Hi @ihatediabetes, It is unfortunate that the intent of the visit was overshadowed. Vice President Mike Pence visited Mayo Clinic in Rochester to see firsthand how Mayo is providing scientific leadership to aid the national response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

You can read more about it in this article on the Mayo Clinic News Network
– Vice President Pence visits Mayo Clinic https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/vice-president-pence-visits-mayo-clinic/

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I don’t practice medicine. Neither does Mayo Clinic. Save the rainbow and unicorn business. Allow the President of Mayo Clinic, and all who were party to this travesty to gracefully resign. Absent that, the Board of Director’s need to walk them out. There.Is.No.Excuse.

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Just something I read with an open mind and hoping we can all take this to heart in times like this. Words matter…

As governors are trying to figure out how to ease back in to a new normal, please remember:

— Some people don’t agree with the state opening…. that’s okay. Be kind.
— Some people are still planning to stay home…. that’s okay. Be kind.
— Some are still scared of getting the virus and a second wave happening….that’s okay. Be kind.
— Some are sighing with relief to go back to work knowing they may not lose their business or their homes….that’s okay. Be kind.
— Some are thankful they can finally have a surgery they have put off….that’s okay. Be kind.
— Some will be able to attend interviews after weeks without a job….that’s okay. Be kind.
— Some will wear masks for weeks….that’s okay. Be kind.
— Some people will rush out to get the hair or nails done…. that’s okay. Be kind.

The point is, everyone has different viewpoints/feelings and that’s okay. Be kind.
We each have a different story. If you need to stay home, stay home. But be kind .
If you need to go out, just respect others when in public and be kind!
Don’t judge fellow humans because you’re not in their story. We all are in different mental states than we were months ago.
So remember, be kind.

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@elwooodsdad

I don’t practice medicine. Neither does Mayo Clinic. Save the rainbow and unicorn business. Allow the President of Mayo Clinic, and all who were party to this travesty to gracefully resign. Absent that, the Board of Director’s need to walk them out. There.Is.No.Excuse.

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As disturbing as this situation seems to be to some, to me it's disturbing to tell people that wearing a scarf will protect the wearer, or the wearing a Filtering Facepiece respirator without training and fit testing will protect the wearer. Eye protection is also needed. Proper use of the respirator is needed, proper handling and sterilization is needed. 3M is concerned that indiscriminate attempts to sterilize a respirator will undermine the efficiency of it in removing particles or pathogens. Consultation must be made with the manufacturer on any procedures not specified and certified by them.

Scarfs will reduce the spread of cough and sneeze particles, Filtering Facepiece Respirators will reduce your exposure, but not eliminate it. They too will reduce the exposure to others, unless the Filtering Facepiece Respirator has an Exhaust Valve, then it will help protect the wearer from others, but not others from the wearer.

Although I agree, he should have worn a respirator, I think this issue has political motivations as well. Not that I'll get an answer, but I'll write to the Vice President's Office to ask why he didn't wear one, or if I find other objective material on it, I'll post that, or the answer from Pence's office.

Fauci had advised Obama that the H1N1 was pandemic, I don't recall Obama shutting down the economy in response. In hindsight, Obama made the correct decision, but I don't recall the media trying to destroy him at every opportunity.

Ridiculing Mayo Clinic to me, is just not called for. Perhaps they have a statement on the issue.

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@johnbishop

Just something I read with an open mind and hoping we can all take this to heart in times like this. Words matter…

As governors are trying to figure out how to ease back in to a new normal, please remember:

— Some people don’t agree with the state opening…. that’s okay. Be kind.
— Some people are still planning to stay home…. that’s okay. Be kind.
— Some are still scared of getting the virus and a second wave happening….that’s okay. Be kind.
— Some are sighing with relief to go back to work knowing they may not lose their business or their homes….that’s okay. Be kind.
— Some are thankful they can finally have a surgery they have put off….that’s okay. Be kind.
— Some will be able to attend interviews after weeks without a job….that’s okay. Be kind.
— Some will wear masks for weeks….that’s okay. Be kind.
— Some people will rush out to get the hair or nails done…. that’s okay. Be kind.

The point is, everyone has different viewpoints/feelings and that’s okay. Be kind.
We each have a different story. If you need to stay home, stay home. But be kind .
If you need to go out, just respect others when in public and be kind!
Don’t judge fellow humans because you’re not in their story. We all are in different mental states than we were months ago.
So remember, be kind.

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Hi John, this is lilypaws. I love Mayo, we live in Iowa so we are out of network, but our insurance takes a lot off the cost so it hasn't been so bad. My husband compare Ia. City Clinic and Mayo and found out Mayo has better surgeons. I'm waiting to have a fusion on my low back. It's a big surgery and I have so much confidence in my surgeon. He has 4 qualifications and one is a professor in the field that I'm having my surgery. All the doctors I have seen as treated me with respect. My Surgeons Asst. was going to talk with the surgeon to plan my surgery so when they open up the elective surgeries I will be ready to go. I have been in a lot of pain.

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@lilypaws

Hi John, this is lilypaws. I love Mayo, we live in Iowa so we are out of network, but our insurance takes a lot off the cost so it hasn't been so bad. My husband compare Ia. City Clinic and Mayo and found out Mayo has better surgeons. I'm waiting to have a fusion on my low back. It's a big surgery and I have so much confidence in my surgeon. He has 4 qualifications and one is a professor in the field that I'm having my surgery. All the doctors I have seen as treated me with respect. My Surgeons Asst. was going to talk with the surgeon to plan my surgery so when they open up the elective surgeries I will be ready to go. I have been in a lot of pain.

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@lilypaws – That is great news. I'm sure that there are a lot of us including every hospital and clinic that are anxiously waiting for elective surgery and appointments to reopen.

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@colleenyoung

Hi @ihatediabetes, It is unfortunate that the intent of the visit was overshadowed. Vice President Mike Pence visited Mayo Clinic in Rochester to see firsthand how Mayo is providing scientific leadership to aid the national response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

You can read more about it in this article on the Mayo Clinic News Network
– Vice President Pence visits Mayo Clinic https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/vice-president-pence-visits-mayo-clinic/

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Hi I feel really bad about what happened. I went to donate blood recently and we were met at the door by staff. They put something iny ear to measure my temperature. Then I was allowed to just go to the blood center. I wouldn't dream of not following their directions because I was in their building. I also think watching the video of Mike Pence talking to the people wearing masks is very traumatizing. They are wearing masks to protect him. But he is not wearing a mask to protect them. It's like they are disposable to him. It was like watching people get abused by a strong man and they couldn't stop him. I think it's a trigger to women and children than have been abused. It's a trigger to people who have suffered from Coronavirus and their friends and relatives.

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