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Data on the long-term effects of COVID vaccines do not exist, so how can we be sure that COVID vaccines do not have negative long-term effects? Family members are concerned about sterilization and birth defects.
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I am experiencing a long term community effect from the Pfizer vaccine: Life!
There is no science to suggest that any type of Covid shot or flu shot can affect fertility or cause birth defects. Anyone who is truly worried can just avoid the shots. It is misinformation again and again.
Please try to remember that vaccines have been around for a very long time now. Every single one of them was new at one time, a the long-term effects were not known.
Here is what we know now:
Smallpox – eradicated.
Polio – once eradicated, now being seen because some people are rejecting all vaccines.
Diphtheria – once a childhood killer, now only seen in the unvaccinated.
Covid – has affected over 10% (35 million) of our population, hospitalized millions and killed over 600,000. Infection rates fell drastically during shutdown and as millions were vaccinated. We reopened, and new variants began spreading, doubling the number of new cases daily in just a few weeks. Those ill, hospitalized and/or dying now are over 90% unvaccinated making this one of the most effective vaccines available.
Yes every vaccine has some side effects, but not nearly as many as the disease it protects against. A search of the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System) shows that among ALL vaccines including Covid administered in the past 18 months, ONLY 6 cases of birth defects and 10 cases of infertility were reported. That is from a total of 468,000 reported side effects. That is below the rates experienced in population as a whole on an annual basis (about 3% of babies are born with one or more birth defects and about 10% of the adult population has infertility issues)
Reporting in VAERS does not prove the vaccine and the event had a cause and effect relationship – only that the event and the injection occurred around the same time.
Risks associated with the Covid vaccines are far lass than risks associated with the virus itself, no matter how you slice and dice the data. Roughly 20% of Covid survivors have lingering medical problems after infection, the more severe the infection the more and more severe the aftereffects. These include lung scarring, breathing problems, lung problems, neuropathies, brain fog, memory loss…
Unless a person has been advised by medical professional that due to their own personal history or conditions they should avoid the vaccine, the only way to protect ALL of us is vaccination. Remember, your vaccine protects your children and grandchildren who are too young to be vaccinated from exposure as well.
"–no science to suggest" is pretty weak. Without a complete list of post-vaccine problems widely disseminated since day 1, and no CDC approval and no information of the possibilities of post-problems including no insurance if any problems do arise leaves "much" suspicion and reluctance. All questioning is fair and wise too.
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There is a way to get this data – for anyone with internet access and a few minutes to search. Look at the VAERS search engine (Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System): https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D8
Anyone may search by symptom, or by vaccine, with plenty of other parameters to choose from. Data is reported by patients, physicians, vaccine providers and hospitals. It is not perfect, but provides a picture of actual and possible or perceived side effects, not only for the Covid vaccines, but also all others administered.
What is readily apparent is that while the numbers of reported side effects for Covid vaccines appears very high, so is the number of injections given in the past 10 months – 0ver 340,000,000. Remember that every side effect, no matter how minor, was reported during the test period last fall, which skews this number. Side effects have been reported in roughly 125 of every 100,000 injections, and the vast majority are transient/minor in nature. According to VAERS, roughly 8% of reported side effects are deemed serious, or 10 in 100,000.
CDC approval is pending – as all of the reported safety and effectiveness data and side effects are being studied. As for concerns about insurance for side effects, there is an option of last resort for uninsured medical costs called the "Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program" – you can read about it here: https://www.hrsa.gov/cicp/
All of the serious side effects that are reported either are already being studied or will be. There are sites that aggregate and report this data as well, but because their processes are not transparent to me, I choose to go right to the CDC database.
Does knowing this information is available reassure you that information is not being hidden from the public?
Sue, the concern expressed by my family members (both of child bearing age and one of them is a nurse) is that the side effects noted to date cover only the last 8 months. There is no long-term data for the COVID vaccine as yet. Although the analogy may be questioned, the impact of thalidomide is remembered. I am not in the medical field but I wonder if there is a general argument about how vaccines are administered (one time versus pills over many months/years) and how they work that would address these concerns. Bob.
Im having long term effects from the covid virus.
Thalidomide was not a vaccine, it was a drug used for an off-label purpose (I cared for children affected by it) so I don't believe this is comparable.
I do not know of any vaccines administered as a pill over many months – they are primarily given as 1 to 3 injections.
As I said in my earlier post, all vaccines, just like nearly all medical treatments, carry some risk. The idea is to compare the risk of vaccine with the risks presented by the illness itself. As of today, we know the risks of severe illness after Covid infection are many times higher than the risk of serious side effects from the vaccine.
Each person must decide for themself which risk to accept. My primary arguments in favor of the vaccines is: the more people immunized, the less virus around to infect those who cannot be immunized (like small children), the less ill one will become if infected and the less virus that is around to continue to mutate and cause further illness. I watched (am still watching) my middle-aged daughter struggle with aftereffects of Covid 17 months after she first got it, that is enough incentive for me to be vaccinated.
Will any of these arguments "move the needle" with your family members?
So sorry Sue that your daughter had Covid. I was talking with a doctor the other day who has a 3 year old who had an illness when she was 3 months old, and she said that as soon as they approve the vaccines for toddlers she'll get her little one vaccinated. She said that the risk is too great to not get her vaccinated. It's hard when people won't follow science.
It is apparent that many people would rather take the risk of dying of COVID or having long-term effects, rather than follow the science and get the vaccine. It makes no sense. I wish there were more vaccines – specifically for Mononucleosis and Lyme Disease. Those vaccines could have saved me two years of pure hell that's not over yet. You might not feel well for a couple days after the vaccine, but compare that to the illness itself. It should be a no-brainer. Thank God for the vaccines that we did not hesitate to take as children. They saved many lives and heartaches.
@nataliem– Good morning- I agree with you. I honestly do not know what drives people to believe one thing and not another. People are afraid of something new or believe what their mind expects which means it's 100% effective and there are no side effects or shouldn't be. But what we expect and what reality is are two different things.
I hope that new vaccines for Lyme and Mono come soon. Perhaps more use for mRNA vaccines will come because of the covid vaccine.
You say, "Please try to remember that vaccines have been around for a very long time now." Some of those vaccines you mention took two decades to go from initial trials to mass vaccinations. And some, like the polio vaccine, still caused polio and killed many children when it was first rolled out. The fact is, this is the first mRNA vaccine to be administered to humans and the CDC still calls this a drug trial. These vaccines went from development, to limited testing, to production, to distribution and to being administered to the population in a matter of months. Therefore there is absolutely no study of long-term effects. And that's what people are waiting for. They are not [anti-vaxxers!] They are pragmatic. Also, there is no justifiable reason to be vaccinating the youth at this time. The seasonal influenza virus kills several times more children in any given year than COVID-19 has. That is a fact. I also find it quite odd that it is those who are fully vaccinated who seem to be in abject fear of those who are not yet vaccinated. If their vaccinations were safe and effective as they demand they are, then why are they still the ones who are so afraid. It seems their point-of-view is based on anxiety and fear and not facts. And for some, maybe it's an insecurity in the decision they made that can be justified in their mind if everyone else thinks and does as they do, or if everyone is forced by law to make the decision they made.
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