Klonopin taper

Posted by dawgbone @dawgbone, Jul 31, 2017

I have been on some kind of benzo for almost 40 yrs. I am trying to taper from 1.5-2 mgs of klonopin daily . Began in mid may 2017 and my last cut was very small on 7-2-17 to get to 1mg. Honestly feels like i am dying. I also take trazodone 75 mgs and 4 drugs for high blood pressure. I have been researching gabapentin and seroquel to help with the withdrawal symptons. Please offer any suggestions or help. I am 69 yrs old and cant even leave my house to visit my kids and grands. Thank you for any help!

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@lizaa
Hi again,
Please correct me if I’m wrong but I thought Ashton recommend polytherapy and cuts higher than
5- 10% however I haven’t studied the manual in depth.
Insurance willing, a Compounding Pharmacy would be an ideal taper method.

My experience getting off Klonopin was uneventful. I believe the reason why is because I did it so slowly although at the very end I was literally chipping and taking small flakes. My taper was much slower than yours mainly due to my low seizure threshold at that time. I had a high propensity for Status Seizures which virtually always required me being put into an induced coma for a week to months. I wasn’t about to take even the slightest risk since I knew what the probability of the seizures not ever stopping was and the chance of never coming out of coma was.
Wishing you an easy & uneventful taper,
Jake

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@lizaa

@chrpeters23 -I have slowly begun my taper after 10 years of Klonopin also. I am dry cutting, but knowing the microtaper methods have the most success, am looking into the home LT taper. How have you been tapering, and how have the withdrawals been? I have been fairly well, going from 1.25mg to about .90mg. Thanks for posting!!

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Hi Lizaa – I have been dry cutting, however I will be entering into powder form shortly as I decrease to 0.03125 mg. I understand some decide to go to liquid form (or other means) at this point, since it is difficult to cut this small of a mg. I am going to try crushing/splitting and see how this goes.

As far as my taper – I cant stress this enough…it is different for every individual. There is no "one size fits all" taper or general way each individual will feel while tapering. However, one notion we can all advise is going slow and steady is the safest and preferred method, with guidance from a medical professional.

Here is my individual experience, however do not let this influence your taper and stick with what is working with you. For me, it has not nearly been as tough and "hellish", as I've read in threads and chats. Which leads me to my first point: Do not dwell on others' experiences. Stay in your lane and continue the journey. Yes, always reach-out to those going through the same journey, but again, realize we are all different. Of course there has been some discomfort, but so much of it is mental (literally) that the last thing I needed was to fill my head with other's symptoms. I very much listen to my body and once I feel I have adjusted to the cut, I continued the taper to the next mg (that I see fit for me). This has roughly been 2-5 weeks for each cut (the first 2-3 months consisted of .25mg twice a day, then I really got into the taper). This may seem rapid to others, but as I mentioned, this is my experience– with careful listening to my body and mind. The main symptom I have noticed are heart palpitations. My doctor prescribed me atenolol to help ease this.

Anxiety and panic disorder are what made me start taking klonopin in the first place. I have actually noticed both of these decreasing as I've been tapering. It's as if taking klonopin was increasing these symptoms in me over time – which my doctor said is very much a real possibility. Yes I have experienced brain fog and some irritability during the initial days after a cut — but who is to say this is from the taper or these are feelings that initially got me on klonopin that I will be handling without this pill. I just don't know, but when I would feel this, I would remind myself this is my mind healing and adjusting to a new life.

I wish you the best of luck throughout your tapering journey. I really like Leonard's phrasing of "uneventful". I have stayed positive with an excitement of a benzo-free life and I am a click away from any further questions. Sound like you're doing great and should be very proud! Thanks!

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@chrpeters23

Hi Lizaa – I have been dry cutting, however I will be entering into powder form shortly as I decrease to 0.03125 mg. I understand some decide to go to liquid form (or other means) at this point, since it is difficult to cut this small of a mg. I am going to try crushing/splitting and see how this goes.

As far as my taper – I cant stress this enough…it is different for every individual. There is no "one size fits all" taper or general way each individual will feel while tapering. However, one notion we can all advise is going slow and steady is the safest and preferred method, with guidance from a medical professional.

Here is my individual experience, however do not let this influence your taper and stick with what is working with you. For me, it has not nearly been as tough and "hellish", as I've read in threads and chats. Which leads me to my first point: Do not dwell on others' experiences. Stay in your lane and continue the journey. Yes, always reach-out to those going through the same journey, but again, realize we are all different. Of course there has been some discomfort, but so much of it is mental (literally) that the last thing I needed was to fill my head with other's symptoms. I very much listen to my body and once I feel I have adjusted to the cut, I continued the taper to the next mg (that I see fit for me). This has roughly been 2-5 weeks for each cut (the first 2-3 months consisted of .25mg twice a day, then I really got into the taper). This may seem rapid to others, but as I mentioned, this is my experience– with careful listening to my body and mind. The main symptom I have noticed are heart palpitations. My doctor prescribed me atenolol to help ease this.

Anxiety and panic disorder are what made me start taking klonopin in the first place. I have actually noticed both of these decreasing as I've been tapering. It's as if taking klonopin was increasing these symptoms in me over time – which my doctor said is very much a real possibility. Yes I have experienced brain fog and some irritability during the initial days after a cut — but who is to say this is from the taper or these are feelings that initially got me on klonopin that I will be handling without this pill. I just don't know, but when I would feel this, I would remind myself this is my mind healing and adjusting to a new life.

I wish you the best of luck throughout your tapering journey. I really like Leonard's phrasing of "uneventful". I have stayed positive with an excitement of a benzo-free life and I am a click away from any further questions. Sound like you're doing great and should be very proud! Thanks!

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@lizaa

Yes, I have the Ashton Method-I just need to sit down and read it. I think at first I didn't want to go that route, when I first read that Dr. ashton recommended switching to Valium, but since I take the Klonopin for a myoclonic movement disorder, that is not an option for me. I just recently read that part of the method, is if a person opts not to do the switch. I haven't tapered too fast,..I started at the end of last summer. I held at 1mg in November until now, because it was the holidays, and a major change at my work, I didn't want to chance having any major withdrawal symptoms during that time. I haven't had any bad ones since I have been on Klonopin, or since I started tapering, other than the expected muscle spasms…which are definitely tolerable. But having to divide that tiny pill, I realized the guess-timating my cuts to 10% of the pill, is not a good idea. So I am certainly looking to the methods of Ashton, or liquid microtaper. Thanks Jake for your input! How did you do or doing on your taper? Hearing that not everyone went through hell, is helping me to continue my taper.

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@lizaa
I'd like to ask you a question if I may. Okay, maybe a few 😄.
What type of Myoclonus do you have? Is it an epilepsy syndrome? Did the Klonopin control the movement? I hope your taper is going as uneventful as mine did.
Jake

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@jakedduck1

@lizaa
I'd like to ask you a question if I may. Okay, maybe a few 😄.
What type of Myoclonus do you have? Is it an epilepsy syndrome? Did the Klonopin control the movement? I hope your taper is going as uneventful as mine did.
Jake

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Sure Leonard. I have "myoclonic seizures" from a medication called Reglan, that I took 10 years ago. Unfortunately one of the side effects of that medication is permanent or long term movement disorders. We are lowering my dose to see if it has improved or hopefully gone away completely. Although they are called seizures, they are not full blown, and happen only when I fall asleep or waking up, causing jerks that feel like electric shocks going through my body. I rarely notice them much anymore, so that's when I decided to ask my neurologist to start my taper to see what's still there. That, and I started seeing news coverage about benzo's, and that 30-40% of users have problems getting off. Thank goodness I researched about slow tapering, and Dr. Heather Ashton, because all of my doctors think you can just half the dose for a few weeks, then half again for a few weeks, then discontinue. At least they were willing to let me go down slowly to how I am comfortable with and I have been doing well.

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@chrpeters23

Hi Lizaa – I have been dry cutting, however I will be entering into powder form shortly as I decrease to 0.03125 mg. I understand some decide to go to liquid form (or other means) at this point, since it is difficult to cut this small of a mg. I am going to try crushing/splitting and see how this goes.

As far as my taper – I cant stress this enough…it is different for every individual. There is no "one size fits all" taper or general way each individual will feel while tapering. However, one notion we can all advise is going slow and steady is the safest and preferred method, with guidance from a medical professional.

Here is my individual experience, however do not let this influence your taper and stick with what is working with you. For me, it has not nearly been as tough and "hellish", as I've read in threads and chats. Which leads me to my first point: Do not dwell on others' experiences. Stay in your lane and continue the journey. Yes, always reach-out to those going through the same journey, but again, realize we are all different. Of course there has been some discomfort, but so much of it is mental (literally) that the last thing I needed was to fill my head with other's symptoms. I very much listen to my body and once I feel I have adjusted to the cut, I continued the taper to the next mg (that I see fit for me). This has roughly been 2-5 weeks for each cut (the first 2-3 months consisted of .25mg twice a day, then I really got into the taper). This may seem rapid to others, but as I mentioned, this is my experience– with careful listening to my body and mind. The main symptom I have noticed are heart palpitations. My doctor prescribed me atenolol to help ease this.

Anxiety and panic disorder are what made me start taking klonopin in the first place. I have actually noticed both of these decreasing as I've been tapering. It's as if taking klonopin was increasing these symptoms in me over time – which my doctor said is very much a real possibility. Yes I have experienced brain fog and some irritability during the initial days after a cut — but who is to say this is from the taper or these are feelings that initially got me on klonopin that I will be handling without this pill. I just don't know, but when I would feel this, I would remind myself this is my mind healing and adjusting to a new life.

I wish you the best of luck throughout your tapering journey. I really like Leonard's phrasing of "uneventful". I have stayed positive with an excitement of a benzo-free life and I am a click away from any further questions. Sound like you're doing great and should be very proud! Thanks!

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Thank you so much @chrpeters23 ! Your story is encouraging. So happy to hear that you seem to be doing better without the Klonopin. I too noticed that in situations that I am usually nervous, I am more shaky and have anxiety that I didn't have before Klonopin. Though I take it for a movement disorder, I can tell it has affected my emotions on a small scale. My prayers are with you, and you are soooo close to being free. Good luck and thank you for the encouragement!

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@lizaa

Thank you so much @chrpeters23 ! Your story is encouraging. So happy to hear that you seem to be doing better without the Klonopin. I too noticed that in situations that I am usually nervous, I am more shaky and have anxiety that I didn't have before Klonopin. Though I take it for a movement disorder, I can tell it has affected my emotions on a small scale. My prayers are with you, and you are soooo close to being free. Good luck and thank you for the encouragement!

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Hi @lizaa
I’m just chiming in with a little input from my current taper. I’m on a liquid suspension taper and I have to make very tiny cuts.

1- make sure if you do a liquid taper and have it compounded, that the pharmacy compounding for you uses a simple syrup suspension. Suspensions often have artificial sweeteners and preservatives, those make me terribly sick.! I avoid all artificial sweeteners as they make my symptoms 100% worse. My first suspension was not simple syrup and I was sick for several weeks after the first dose. I did some research on the suspension used and realized I had ingested Splenda. That was a nightmare experience.

2- Make sure they compound with the same brand pill you are currently using. Generic Clonazepam can vary a lot in their formulation. Different fillers and binders from one manufacture to another. Those changes from brand to brand can create different reactions and my experience has been that some symptoms can be more intense with certain generic brands of Clonazepam. Everybody is different but the variations from one pill to another really affect me. So I keep tabs on the brand.

Overall I have found it is way more costly to have it compounded (@80.00) but it is much more accurate in cutting doses and easier to make cuts bc I can make them very small. So very much worth the extra expense. Google liquid benzo taper and you can get the jist of it online. There are some good videos out there

Hope this helps some!
Love & Strength
Ann

PS your dr will have to write the script for suspension in order to get it in suspension

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@lizaa

Thank you so much @chrpeters23 ! Your story is encouraging. So happy to hear that you seem to be doing better without the Klonopin. I too noticed that in situations that I am usually nervous, I am more shaky and have anxiety that I didn't have before Klonopin. Though I take it for a movement disorder, I can tell it has affected my emotions on a small scale. My prayers are with you, and you are soooo close to being free. Good luck and thank you for the encouragement!

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Absolutely and you too!

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@annfsd

Hi @lizaa
I’m just chiming in with a little input from my current taper. I’m on a liquid suspension taper and I have to make very tiny cuts.

1- make sure if you do a liquid taper and have it compounded, that the pharmacy compounding for you uses a simple syrup suspension. Suspensions often have artificial sweeteners and preservatives, those make me terribly sick.! I avoid all artificial sweeteners as they make my symptoms 100% worse. My first suspension was not simple syrup and I was sick for several weeks after the first dose. I did some research on the suspension used and realized I had ingested Splenda. That was a nightmare experience.

2- Make sure they compound with the same brand pill you are currently using. Generic Clonazepam can vary a lot in their formulation. Different fillers and binders from one manufacture to another. Those changes from brand to brand can create different reactions and my experience has been that some symptoms can be more intense with certain generic brands of Clonazepam. Everybody is different but the variations from one pill to another really affect me. So I keep tabs on the brand.

Overall I have found it is way more costly to have it compounded (@80.00) but it is much more accurate in cutting doses and easier to make cuts bc I can make them very small. So very much worth the extra expense. Google liquid benzo taper and you can get the jist of it online. There are some good videos out there

Hope this helps some!
Love & Strength
Ann

PS your dr will have to write the script for suspension in order to get it in suspension

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@annfsd Thank you Ann! I appreciate your help. I wasn't sure how well the compounded liquid taper worked or how expensive it could have been. I was worried it would be hundreds of dollars per month to compound into solution. I have been following an LT group on FB that uses 300 ml of water at home, and dissolving your pill in it. A lot of these people seem to do well, but I realize it is a do-it-yourself type of thing. Part of me is concerned about trying that way, although a lot of people seem to do fairly well with it. I am staying at my current .90mg for now since it's been about 3 weeks, and I am doing well. I plan to try another taper next month again, but know I can't eyeball it anymore by using a pillcutter. I appreciate everyone's input here. I am very glad to have found this group, because it's full of different responses, and many different experiences. Thank you!!

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I have been on some type of benzo (alprazolam and now klonopin) for at least 11 years. I recently weaned from klonopin 1 mg twice daily to .25mg at bedtime ( over a three month period). My question is this. I have recently relocated to a new state, new job, new friends etc. I have had a bad few days and took my 2mg dose Saturday Sunday and today. Do I need to start all over? Or can I safely resume my 0.25mg tonight? I’m afraid I have set myself back. Please help!! Thank you!!!

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@bobbieb

I have been on some type of benzo (alprazolam and now klonopin) for at least 11 years. I recently weaned from klonopin 1 mg twice daily to .25mg at bedtime ( over a three month period). My question is this. I have recently relocated to a new state, new job, new friends etc. I have had a bad few days and took my 2mg dose Saturday Sunday and today. Do I need to start all over? Or can I safely resume my 0.25mg tonight? I’m afraid I have set myself back. Please help!! Thank you!!!

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@bobbieb Can understand you not wanting a setback. I doubt this should be a problem. I am not a doctor. Maybe some others have input. Oft benzodiazepines are prescribed PRN. I would go back to the .25 at bedtime and go from there.

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@parus

@bobbieb Can understand you not wanting a setback. I doubt this should be a problem. I am not a doctor. Maybe some others have input. Oft benzodiazepines are prescribed PRN. I would go back to the .25 at bedtime and go from there.

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Thank you so much! It’s been a long road and I hated the fact that I may have wasted all these months of tapering. Thank you again!!!

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